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Re: Fine for biking

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Cars travelling in dedicated spaces that pedestrians are only allowed temporarily and with strict regulations (on a crossing, many times with lights, etc)



Again, cars don't mix with pedestrians, and when they do they go 20, or 30kph, and they can stop well within a car's length (about 5m on dry pavement).

So yeah, a car doing 80 in downtown ZH is much less dangerous than a guy doing 20 with no brakes on the sidewalk

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You seriously suggesting cars are safer for peds then bikes?


Cars do mix with pedestrians, frequently, in city centres, and even in Zurich. Since you cant be 100% certain that pedestrians will only ever use the crossings, the interactions aren't controlled. And strict regulation? Please...99% of crossings are not regulated in any way, at all.


Bikes can stop well within 5 metres, even with brakes that aren't 100%, even on wet roads. They're also much smaller, much lighter, and generally go slower then cars.


If you put the bike on the footpath then you have to put the car there as well, since both are road vehicles, not footpath vehicles. Apples to apples, my dear.
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Old 28.08.2015, 15:21
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Re: Fine for biking

The additional costs (beyond the fine) are a good reason to have legal insurance. While the legal insurance will not pay the fine it will - check the fine print to be sure - pay all associated costs like court fees ("Entscheidgebühr"/"Schreibgebühr") etc.
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Re: Fine for biking [cycling]

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Dear all

I am studying here in Switzerland, and as most of students, I have an old bike. Mine had one break only, and it got a bit loose, but I could still stop, I was just biking carefully.

Swiss police had a different opinion, they saw me how I use also my leg to stop the bike, and I got a fine. Police said you will get it home, I said fine if thats how it works, and now it came: 80CHF fine and 206CHF processing fee.

Nearly 300CHF for a bike fine? Isn't it ridiculous? I am seriously considering to go for one day to prison instead.

Is this normal? Does every fine has fixed 208CHF processing fee? Because they do not mention it anywhere.

It just feels like the fine is crazy considering the fact that the only person in danger was me.

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Exactly!!

Society would function so much better if we could choose 5 laws which we didn't have to obey.
Hah. I have loads more than that. Well, I don't have to obey them as long as no-one sees me
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Old 28.08.2015, 15:38
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The additional costs (beyond the fine) are a good reason to have legal insurance. While the legal insurance will not pay the fine it will - check the fine print to be sure - pay all associated costs like court fees ("Entscheidgebühr"/"Schreibgebühr") etc.
I think most people would have a deductible above the fees amount, so the insurance wouldn't pay.

Also checking my policy, it covers disputes and specifically for this case defense costs - if you don't challenge the fine, then is there any dispute or defense? And if you do, of course you risk a much higher fine anyway.

Be interested to hear if anyone has actually done this in practice.
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I think most people would have a deductible above the fees amount, so the insurance wouldn't pay.

Be interested to hear if anyone has actually done this in practice.
https://www.tcs.ch/de/versicherungen...chtsschutz.php

It is item 5.2.c in the AVB. Court fees fully covered, zero deductible .
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https://www.tcs.ch/de/versicherungen...chtsschutz.php

It is item 5.2.c in the AVB. Court fees fully covered, zero deductible .
But in item 10.1 a of the TCS ABV it also says that they do not cover costs for accusations of intentional acts (unless later exhonerated)... so it really depends what you get charged with.
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https://www.tcs.ch/de/versicherungen...chtsschutz.php

It is item 5.2.c in the AVB. Court fees fully covered, zero deductible .
Cool - but 10.2 also excludes stuff

"Streitigkeiten im Zusammenhang mit der Begehung von Verbrechen und vorsätzlichen Vergehen sowie der Versuch dazu"

Google -> "Disputes in connection with the commission of crimes and intentional offenses and the attempt to do so"

That seems like a hugely broad exclusion for legal cover, and presumably it could only if you're found guilty of the crime?? Not really sure how this is supposed to be interpreted.

But unless the OP can claim he was unintentionally riding his bike (!) or the missing brake fell off just before they stopped him, it would seem to apply.
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Old 28.08.2015, 16:33
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Re: Fine for biking

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It was only a Übertretung/Contraventions https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a103

There is AFAIK only one Verbrechen/Felony https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a10
in the traffic code: Super serious speeding or absolute reckless driving.
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The police here just seem incapable of applying any sense of proportion to a situation. I know a guy that got a fine for cycling with no hands. What sort of gloryhole bastard would hand a fine out for that?
good. not controlling their bike and i'm not able to do that so i'm glad they got fined.
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I know a guy that got a fine for cycling with no hands. What sort of gloryhole bastard would hand a fine out for that?
The one who would like to avoid a case where that retard rides over a pebble which throws the front wheel out of balance and proceeds to dive into my car, which I reflexively swerve to the left and hit a lorry face on. Kthxbye

I'm sorry, but we either have rules for road users and enforce them equally, or we have a melee where everybody loses. If there is an inane rule that just makes your life utter misery, campaign for it to be changed, but don't go around ignoring it and then complain that you were fined.
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The one who would like to avoid a case where that retard rides over a pebble which throws the front wheel out of balance and proceeds to dive into my car, which I reflexively swerve to the left and hit a lorry face on. Kthxbye

I'm sorry, but we either have rules for road users and enforce them equally, or we have a melee where everybody loses. If there is an inane rule that just makes your life utter misery, campaign for it to be changed, but don't go around ignoring it and then complain that you were fined.
Yup, definitely been here too long.

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Yup, definitely been here too long.

Sh*t I fell for it! I should've known better
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Hah. I have loads more than that. Well, I don't have to obey them as long as no-one sees me
Its interesting you should say that. Laws are usualy for the village idiots and the ones at the other end.


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I will get born into a royal family, one day.

Knowing my luck it will be the French one just before the revolution...
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Re: Fine for biking [cycling]

And to think that the OP thought that this thread was done!! Hell, you guys have barely gotten started!!!
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