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Fine for biking [cycling]

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I am studying here in Switzerland, and as most of students, I have an old bike. Mine had one break only, and it got a bit loose, but I could still stop, I was just biking carefully.

Swiss police had a different opinion, they saw me how I use also my leg to stop the bike, and I got a fine. Police said you will get it home, I said fine if thats how it works, and now it came: 80CHF fine and 206CHF processing fee.

Nearly 300CHF for a bike fine? Isn't it ridiculous? I am seriously considering to go for one day to prison instead.

Is this normal? Does every fine has fixed 208CHF processing fee? Because they do not mention it anywhere.

It just feels like the fine is crazy considering the fact that the only person in danger was me.

Thank you.
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Old 27.08.2015, 22:34
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It just feels like the fine is crazy considering the fact that the only person in danger was me.

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Well you and any pedestrians you might crash in to. And any accidents you might cause by not being able to stop properly.

Seriously, you knowingly went out with by your own admission a non-roadworthy bike. You deserve the fine.
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Dear all

I am studying here in Switzerland, and as most of students, I have an old bike. Mine had one break only, and it got a bit loose, but I could still stop, I was just biking carefully.

Swiss police had a different opinion, they saw me how I use also my leg to stop the bike, and I got a fine. Police said you will get it home, I said fine if thats how it works, and now it came: 80CHF fine and 206CHF processing fee.

Nearly 300CHF for a bike fine? Isn't it ridiculous? I am seriously considering to go for one day to prison instead.

Is this normal? Does every fine has fixed 208CHF processing fee? Because they do not mention it anywhere.

It just feels like the fine is crazy considering the fact that the only person in danger was me this time.

Thank you.
Fixed that for you.
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So you seriously think Baboon that it is fine that people go 60km/hr in town get 140CHF, and are offered to pay it on spot, but for biking and being able to stop, because I did stop in front of theguy who jump in front of me (thats why I was so enthusiastic and used also my leg to be sure), it is fine to pay 300CHF?

Wau...

And just to be clear, I have absolutely no problem with 80CHF, yes I deserve that. But I do not agree that I deserve 300CHF fine for this. Sorry.

But yeah, thanks for expressing your opinion about me being a terrible criminal, and deserving to be punished as hard as possible. I highly appreciate your input.

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So you seriously think Baboon that it is fine that people go 60km/hr in town get 140CHF, and are offered to pay it on spot, but for biking and being able to stop, because I did stop in front of theguy who jump in front of me (thats why I was so enthusiastic and used also my leg to be sure), it is fine to pay 300CHF?

Wau...
I think Baboons' point (and mine) is that it doesn't matter what other people are doing. It matters what YOU are doing. YOU were riding with an unsafe bicycle. This is your problem, because you are potentially making yourself someone else's problem.

This link is old, but most of the laws are still in effect. I suggest that you give it a read.
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I think Baboons' point (and mine) is that it doesn't matter what other people are doing. It matters what YOU are doing. YOU were riding with an unsafe bicycle. This is your problem, because you are potentially making yourself someone else's problem.

This link is old, but most of the laws are still in effect. I suggest that you give it a read.
Thank you DantesDame.

I will check it out. As I mentioned, I do not have a problem with the fine for the bike. I do have a problem with not getting a chance to pay it immediately, and paying 200CHF into the air...
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Old 27.08.2015, 22:58
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Re: Fine for biking

Wow CHF 206 court fee?
Basel is crazy, Court fee in Zurich would have been CHF 90.
http://www.englishforum.ch/transport...new-fines.html

looks like CHF 200 is the minimum court fee in Canton BS. http://www.gesetzessammlung.bs.ch/fr.../versions/1951
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Wow CHF 206 court fee?
Basel is crazy, Court fee in Zurich would have been CHF 90.
http://www.englishforum.ch/transport...new-fines.html

looks like CHF 200 is the minimum court fee in Canton BS. http://www.gesetzessammlung.bs.ch/fr.../versions/1951
Court fee! That's why it took so long...so instead of just sending me a fine via police...why to do it easily if they can do it a in complicated pricy way...
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Re: Fine for biking

I have gotten my fair share of speeding tickets for my car that were all under 286 chf. So yes, I think the ticket plus processing fee you received was disproportionate. Even though you may have deserved a ticket, I'd be annoyed too by the amount compared to what is dished out to people driving 1500+ kg autos traveling well over speed limits.
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The police were out in Basel tonight stopping cyclists without lights. The bastards.
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Re: Fine for biking

Can one be fined for breaking the speed limit on a bicycle?

My bike has no speedometer but i record all my rides with garmin watch and i hit 69.9km/h last week in what would be a 50 zone..

Now i need to hit the magic 70
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Court fee! That's why it took so long...so instead of just sending me a fine via police...why to do it easily if they can do it a in complicated pricy way...
Because your offence is not on the list of simple fines which could be handed out by the police:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html

There was no other option for the police. Sorry.
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Re: Fine for biking

Go to prison for a day, it'll be good experience and make a talking point on your CV
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Dear all

I am studying here in Switzerland, and as most of students, I have an old bike. Mine had one break only, and it got a bit loose, but I could still stop, I was just biking carefully.

Swiss police had a different opinion, they saw me how I use also my leg to stop the bike, and I got a fine. Police said you will get it home, I said fine if thats how it works, and now it came: 80CHF fine and 206CHF processing fee.

Nearly 300CHF for a bike fine? Isn't it ridiculous? I am seriously considering to go for one day to prison instead.

Is this normal? Does every fine has fixed 208CHF processing fee? Because they do not mention it anywhere.

It just feels like the fine is crazy considering the fact that the only person in danger was me.

Thank you.

shouldn't this fit in the thread "Swiss rules you love to brake" ?
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Because your offence is not on the list of simple fines which could be handed out by the police:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html

There was no other option for the police. Sorry.
Eh. I see it was just quite a shock when I saw the payment slip today...

Well, now I have a bike with two breaks, both lights, and I never break the traffic rules; dear police, please leave me alone. I don't have another extra 300chf.
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Dear all

I am studying here in Switzerland, and as most of students, I have an old bike. Mine had one break only, and it got a bit loose, but I could still stop, I was just biking carefully.

Swiss police had a different opinion, they saw me how I use also my leg to stop the bike, and I got a fine. Police said you will get it home, I said fine if thats how it works, and now it came: 80CHF fine and 206CHF processing fee.

Nearly 300CHF for a bike fine? Isn't it ridiculous? I am seriously considering to go for one day to prison instead.

Is this normal? Does every fine has fixed 208CHF processing fee? Because they do not mention it anywhere.

It just feels like the fine is crazy considering the fact that the only person in danger was me.

Thank you.
Are you sure you were not offered to pay on the spot? Or did you refuse to pay out of an adoloscent rejectionism and now you got the bill for it?

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Eh. I see it was just quite a shock when I saw the payment slip today...

Well, now I have a bike with two breaks, both lights, and I never break the traffic rules; dear police, please leave me alone. I don't have another extra 300chf.
Well, would you have fixed your bike before, for the same amount, yourbike would look great, nobody would have been in danger (well, I do not know how you drive), no reason to pay fines, and your costs for shoes would have become lower as well.

Proactive behavior is always better, and definitely more grown up. Get a life!
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Can one be fined for breaking the speed limit on a bicycle?

My bike has no speedometer but i record all my rides with garmin watch and i hit 69.9km/h last week in what would be a 50 zone..

Now i need to hit the magic 70
If they catch you right after the speed-trap (and you stop...), they'll probably find a way to fine you.
Obviously, a bike has a different way of braking than a car. That should be kept in mind when trying to break speed-records on it.
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Nearly 300CHF for a bike fine? Isn't it ridiculous? I am seriously considering to go for one day to prison instead.

Is this normal? Does every fine has fixed 208CHF processing fee? Because they do not mention it anywhere.
First of all, it's probably three days, rather than one. 100 CHF=1day. More or less.
And AFAIK, if you can actually pay the fine, you can't just choose to go to prison.
You'd need to let the slip expire, wait for the Betreibung, let that expire too and wait a couple of more months probably. All the while the outstanding amount grows with every court it goes through....
At least, that's what I get from comments on tagi.ch and 20min.ch about this subject.
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Re: Fine for biking

I asked for an explanation why my fine is so crazy high, especially comparing it to a speeding fine for a car:
At an impact speed of more than 60 km/h the chance of survival of pedestrian hit by a car is less than 1%. Generally known fact, thats why the speed limit is 50, chance to survive is 30%. Fine: 140CHF. Paid later, approx. 340CHF?

Biking with a loose break, 300CHF. No chance to pay it on the spot. Got it.

I got my explanation. I thanked for it. This part was useful also for other people.

But your personal subjective opinions about me, how is that helpful to anyone?

The question was answered. The topic is closed. For those of you who tried to be helpful, thank you a lot. It feels slightly better to know why it is so much.

Good bye.



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Well, would you have fixed your bike before, for the same amount, yourbike would look great, nobody would have been in danger (well, I do not know how you drive), no reason to pay fines, and your costs for shoes would have become lower as well.

Proactive behavior is always better, and definitely more grown up. Get a life!
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Well, now I have a bike with two breaks, [...]
I hope your bike has brakes, too.
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