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Trailer rules - legality and vignette

Hi! I'm shortly relocating back to my home country. I've bought a bunch of stuff over the years, so I'm going to buy a trailer to bring all of my stuff home.

But I'm getting very confused about all the rules.

My "carte grise" says that:
- the car 1170 kg without driver, 1240 kg with driver.
- maximum allowed weight of the car is 1720 kg.
- maximum allowed weight of trailer with breaks is 1230 kg.
- maxium allowed total weight of car + trailer is 2950 kg.

I have my eyes on a trailer with maximum allowed weight 1300 kg. Can I drive it? In my home country I can as long as it doesn't actually weigh over 1230 kg.

But I had a look at this document: http://www.astra2.admin.ch/media/pdf...-15_2264_e.pdf
And I found this section: and/or Combinations of a tractor vehicle in category B and a trailer having a mass not exceeding 750 kg, where the maximum authorised mass of the combination does not exceed 3500 kg and the maximum authorized mass of the trailer does not exceed the unladen mass of the tractor vehicle.

Does this mean that the maximum allowed weight of the trailer cannot exceed the weight of the car, even if the trailer is empty?

Also, the trailer is > 2 meter high, do I have to pay more than an extra vignette for this?
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Re: Trailer rules - legality and vignette

Have a look at this thread - some info may be useful:

Who knows everything about trailers?
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Re: Trailer rules - legality and vignette

Do you only have the B or also the BE category on your license?
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Re: Trailer rules - legality and vignette

I have TiMow, especially your answer where you say:

- providing your licence covers you, your trailer gross weight should not exceed 100% of your vehicle kerbside weight, and normally 90% is recommended. There should be details provided by your vehicle manufacturer as to max. towing weight;

Now, gross weight, is that the actual weight of the trailer + stuff inside, or is it the trailer rating, the maxium authorized mass (MAM), in my case 1300 kg?

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The we have dodgyken's answer:

It is NOT RECOMMENDED to tow above the kerbweight - BUT it isn't illegal. However the greater the tow-vehicle weight to trailer the greater control and stability you will have.

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I have the B license, and from what I've understood it's legal to drive a car + trailer with the trailer having a maximum authorized mass (MAM) > 750 as long as the MAM car + MAM trailer < 3500 kg ...

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Just to be clear, I'm not planning to make the trailer heavier than the car. I'll put stuff in both the car and the trailer, and the car will for sure weigh more.

I'm just wondering if the fact that the trailer is licensed for max weight (1300 kg) which is over the car empty (1170 kg) poses a problem, legally.
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Re: Trailer rules - legality and vignette

PS: MAM = PTAC as I understand it.
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Re: Trailer rules - legality and vignette

A 'B' licence will only cover you for to a 750kg trailer.
Heavier than than that and you need the BE rating.

Most '750kg' trailers weigh in the region of 125 -150 kg depending on whether they're braked or not, which means you have a useful load of 600 - 625 kg.

Exceed this and you're breaking the law; tow a trailer with a max load rating of above 750kg with a B (only) licence and you're breaking the law.
Breaking the law and getting caught in CH will cost money; breaking the law and being involved in an accident could (probably) invalidate insurance.

750kg trailers are a available with framed, enclosed waterproof covers.
Some Landi's have weigh-bridges where you can determine the weight of vehicle, trailer - independently, loaded and together ..... possibly available to Joe Public for a smile and some dosh.
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Re: Trailer rules - legality and vignette

Hmm. Are you sure about that? Because from January 2013, EU updated their rules, allowing towing of trailers with PTAC > 750 kg with a B license, as long as the PTAC of the vehicle + the PTAC of the trailer is less than 3500 kg.

I realize now that the document I linked to (http://www.astra2.admin.ch/media/pdf...-15_2264_e.pdf) follow your rules, but it's from 2003. I'm trying to find a newer source ...

If it's really true that one cannot pull trailers with PTAC higher than 750 kg with a B license in Switzerland, I guess I will avoid Switzerland alltogether when driving home (I live in France, but my plan was to drive through Switzerland).
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Re: Trailer rules - legality and vignette

This is the EU rules from 2013: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-10_en.htm

Category B allows to drive a vehicle of 3500 kg and a trailer of 750 kg.

With regard to vehicle-trailer combinations within category B, trailers of a weight exceeding 750 kg may be coupled to the towing vehicle, as long as the combination does not exceed 4250 kg and the rules on type-approval are respected (that fix the relation between the vehicle and the trailer).

However, for such combinations within category B that exceed the weight of 3500 kg, a training, a test or both a training and a test will be imposed. This provision will allow to drive bigger combinations within category B in the future than is the case today, pending a training and/or test is passed.
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Re: Trailer rules - legality and vignette

Hi again. So it seems like you're right TiMow: With a B licence there is no way to drive legally with a trailer > 750 kg. Guess I'll stick to the Eurozone driving home then
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Hi again. So it seems like you're right TiMow: With a B licence there is no way to drive legally with a trailer > 750 kg. Guess I'll stick to the Eurozone driving home then
That appears to the latest wording on the categories. The wording seesm to be standardised across Europe - which is handy. What you really need is category DE - or "Tow whatever the f^& I like" category - rather handy when my old minibus was of the 4,500kg variety!
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A 'B' licence will only cover you for to a 750kg trailer.
Heavier than than that and you need the BE rating.
What are they limits with a BE?

(mine has that as well as A,B,D1, and D1E)

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What are they limits with a BE?

(mine has that as well as A,B,D1, and D1E)

Tom
Decent descriptions from the UK - with the wording matching the English version of the CH descriptions.

I don't "get" BE - if you have an SUV and put a caravan on the back you'll be over the 3,500kg limit - so it just doesn't make any sense. A Discovery (for example) has a MAM of close to 3,500kg - and can tow 3,500kg - I have towed 2,600kg with one, in a trailer rated at 3,500kg.

Anyone who doesn't have D1 will now struggle to tow anything of any weight (IE a braked trailer).
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What are they limits with a BE?
Difficult to say. If we look here http://www.astra2.admin.ch/media/pdf...-15_2264_e.pdf it says very little. But if I were to guess based on the info I've read I'd say it allows you to pull a trailer with PTAC up to 3500 kg, where the combination of trailer + car is up to 7500 kg. But take this with a grain of salt!
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Re: Trailer rules - legality and vignette

Cat. BE is just B.S. - it's a cop out, that means nothing.
I think the only reason it's on my licence, is to make a full house as I already have C1, D1, C1E and D1E ...... adding BE means I can top trump other B licence holders.
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Hi! I'm shortly relocating back to my home country. I've bought a bunch of stuff over the years, so I'm going to buy a trailer to bring all of my stuff home.

But I'm getting very confused about all the rules.

My "carte grise" says that:
- the car 1170 kg without driver, 1240 kg with driver.
- maximum allowed weight of the car is 1720 kg.
- maximum allowed weight of trailer with breaks is 1230 kg.
- maxium allowed total weight of car + trailer is 2950 kg.

I have my eyes on a trailer with maximum allowed weight 1300 kg. Can I drive it? In my home country I can as long as it doesn't actually weigh over 1230 kg.

But I had a look at this document: http://www.astra2.admin.ch/media/pdf...-15_2264_e.pdf
And I found this section: and/or Combinations of a tractor vehicle in category B and a trailer having a mass not exceeding 750 kg, where the maximum authorised mass of the combination does not exceed 3500 kg and the maximum authorized mass of the trailer does not exceed the unladen mass of the tractor vehicle.

Does this mean that the maximum allowed weight of the trailer cannot exceed the weight of the car, even if the trailer is empty?

Also, the trailer is > 2 meter high, do I have to pay more than an extra vignette for this?
Hold on. You're driving home in a tractor?!
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Cat. BE is just B.S.
So you start with category AG, then BE or BS, and finally cat. ZH?
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