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Well here we are some weeks later, so time to post an update.

I was detected speeding on the 20th of September, doing 108 in a 80 zone via a police speed trap.

The fine arrived in the post on the 21st of October (Was hoping they had lost the data :-) ) and the fine broke down to ;

CHF 320 for the fine and CHF 330 for the admin cost/court cost.
Also I was given the option (So the person who read the letter for me said) the option to go to prison for 4 days rather than pay the fine ???

This week 2nd November I got a rambling letter that was translated for me (person who read it and Swiss , said it was a badly written letter) saying I now had a warning and this applied for 2 years and If caught again in 2 years I would get a 1 month ban. It also went on to say that speeding a little bit was ok ??? i.e. If I got caught and fined for doing 16 above limit in a town, 21 above limit on a rural road or 26 above limit on a motorway <--- Above would trigger a violation of Warning.
It also mentioned drink driving would trigger a violation in the 2 year warning period (Not an issue because I stopped drinking alcohol back in 2007 for health reasons).

I will now presume I will get a bill for the Warning letter.

This is my second speeding fine in 35 years of driving.
Both fines in the previous 8 months.
The first one was a camera when I exit a tunnel and the speed limit went down from 80 to 60. I was flashed doing 71. I missed the speed reduction ....my error.

I now drive at limit minus 10% and if the person behind don't like ...tough !


Q: Just curious - If you got a ban for say 1 month or 3 months + and you were returning to the UK during the ban period, i presume you can't drive in the UK and convert your Swiss license into a UK one until the ban was expired ?
(Not that i intend to be in that position).
Unless the first speeding fine went via a judge, it's not recorded.

You won't have a Swiss license to exchange during the ban......
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Q: Just curious - If you got a ban for say 1 month or 3 months + and you were returning to the UK during the ban period, i presume you can't drive in the UK and convert your Swiss license into a UK one until the ban was expired ?
(Not that i intend to be in that position).
You would be banned from driving as you don't have a valid licence (Someone will be along and say you could get a copy of your UK one and user that - but then that wouldn't technically valid because you don't live at the address - etc etc - old EF argument)

You are now on probation if you are caught for a second "serious" offence then you'll get at least 1 book thrown at you - maybe more!!

I know of someone who is currently facing that issue - with numbers far bigger than yours!
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The option (If the person who read my letter was telling the truth) to go to prison for 4 days was interesting.
Got my mind mulling over ....
So I could sit in cell watching TV, playing video games (Something that would be new to me , unless you count what I played on my PET computer in 1980), three meals a day , relax and being able to read and chill out. In process save oneself CHF 650. If you could book in for a weekend and only take 2 days off work. Unless they make you break rocks in the snow.
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You would be banned from driving as you don't have a valid licence (Someone will be along and say you could get a copy of your UK one and user that - but then that wouldn't technically valid because you don't live at the address - etc etc - old EF argument)

You are now on probation if you are caught for a second "serious" offence then you'll get at least 1 book thrown at you - maybe more!!

I know of someone who is currently facing that issue - with numbers far bigger than yours!
I don't intend to break the Warning during the next 10 months I have left living/working in Switzerland.
Managed to obey the law of the road for 34 years prior , including several trips down to South of France , Italy , driving across America .....
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Old 03.11.2015, 12:58
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Re: Caught Speeding

My old boss was caught for low flying and was threatened with jail. He paid the fine, and asked the cop whether "jail" was really meant. "Oh yes," said the cop, but then went on to explain that you only had to spend the night in jail - you could live your normal life, go to work, etc. during he day, but you had to be back in jail at night. But did anyone actually do that? "Oh yes," said the cop, "when the fine's a whopper, in the four figures (as can happen), some folk opt for jail." It's not a criminal offence, so you have no record.
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I now drive at limit minus 10% and if the person behind don't like ...tough !

Why ? your speedo is always showing under the correct speed, so effectively if you drive at 10% under the highway limit (120kph) as per the speedo, this means you will be driving actually at 112kph as per speedo, whic his wrong by probably 5% minimum, not counting the margin of 5kph allowed.

If you can drive at 112kph according to the speedo why can't you drive at 120 kph according to the speedo ? (which will be far easier as 120 is clearly indicated, 112 not so clear !)
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Why ? your speedo is always showing under the correct speed, so effectively if you drive at 10% under the highway limit (120kph) as per the speedo, this means you will be driving actually at 112kph as per speedo, whic his wrong by probably 5% minimum, not counting the margin of 5kph allowed.

If you can drive at 112kph according to the speedo why can't you drive at 120 kph according to the speedo ? (which will be far easier as 120 is clearly indicated, 112 not so clear !)
I got no allowance on my speeding fine (They must have very accurate speed lasers being used by the police).
My speed-o has a Digital readout as well as the Dial, so easy to stick to 108 in a 120 zone. Either way after 34 years of careful driving , getting two speeding tickets in 8 months in inexcusable, so I will stick to limit minus 10%. Simple way of avoiding getting a judgement and ban for 1 month or more.
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Re: Caught Speeding

I've been stung like this before. It's a simple lesson learned. Expensive? Yes. Part of life, of course.

The thing to remember is that whilst you're driving along thinking the guy in front is "driving too slow and erratic", there's a very real chance he (the driver at the front) knows what's up ahead and he's sitting thinking "idiots behind, if only they knew what's coming up"
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My old boss was caught for low flying and was threatened with jail. He paid the fine, and asked the cop whether "jail" was really meant. "Oh yes," said the cop, but then went on to explain that you only had to spend the night in jail - you could live your normal life, go to work, etc. during he day, but you had to be back in jail at night. But did anyone actually do that? "Oh yes," said the cop, "when the fine's a whopper, in the four figures (as can happen), some folk opt for jail." It's not a criminal offence, so you have no record.
Maybe I should have taken the option and saved myself CHF 650 !
Go to work during the day and chill out reading and watching TV at night , be my own man for 4 nights. The wife can watch X Factor and her cooking shows to her hearts content while i'm away doing my porridge lol
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Why ? your speedo is always showing under the correct speed, so effectively if you drive at 10% under the highway limit (120kph) as per the speedo, this means you will be driving actually at 112kph as per speedo, whic his wrong by probably 5% minimum, not counting the margin of 5kph allowed.

If you can drive at 112kph according to the speedo why can't you drive at 120 kph according to the speedo ? (which will be far easier as 120 is clearly indicated, 112 not so clear !)
The last BMW I had in CH under read by 1 KMH @ 50kmh, so unsurprisingly I did start picking up tickets as I followed the 10% rule. Best to compare with a GPS.
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Old 03.11.2015, 13:27
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Re: Caught Speeding

I was flashed in the early hours of Sunday morning in a Mobility car somewhere between Bern and Basel.

I was doing 135 in a 120, so the fine will be "acceptable". Anyone know what the Mobility admin charge is for forwarding the fine to me/my details to the police?
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I got no allowance on my speeding fine (They must have very accurate speed lasers being used by the police).
My speed-o has a Digital readout as well as the Dial, so easy to stick to 108 in a 120 zone. Either way after 34 years of careful driving , getting two speeding tickets in 8 months in inexcusable, so I will stick to limit minus 10%. Simple way of avoiding getting a judgement and ban for 1 month or more.
The "speed guns" are very accurate indeed. Certainly the ones I used in the UK were. If you're of the mindset of challenging the authorities and have the time money to refuse to pay fines, then you can try the "when was the machine last calibrated? By who? Using what?". Because they are hand-held, they are by nature, prone to being knocked and banged around, so need routinely calibrating. However, you've really got to know your sh1t if you're going to try this one and chances are you'll loose anyway. After which, the original CHF600 fine will have risen from Original Fine + legal costs + admin fees + anything else the courts might want to add and by the end of it, you'll probably wish you'd just paid the original fine.

The "allowance" is given in a lot of cases to offset the potential inaccuracy and low tolerances of the cars speedo, which are not 100% accurate. In the UK for example, it's (or was) typically 10%.

I'd just stick to what you're speedo reads. The more you try to sit there working out allowances, you'll end up being distracted and probably end up committing some other vehicle related offence.

Just out of interest, how did you manage to avoid handing across your driving licence from your home country when applying for your Swiss licence? When I applied for my licence, I wasn't given a choice. It was mandated that if I wanted a licence valid to drive here, then I had to hand in my UK licence.
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The "speed guns" are very accurate indeed. Certainly the ones I used in the UK were. If you're of the mindset of challenging the authorities and have the time money to refuse to pay fines, then you can try the "when was the machine last calibrated? By who? Using what?". Because they are hand-held, they are by nature, prone to being knocked and banged around, so need routinely calibrating. However, you've really got to know your sh1t if you're going to try this one and chances are you'll loose anyway. After which, the original CHF600 fine will have risen from Original Fine + legal costs + admin fees + anything else the courts might want to add and by the end of it, you'll probably wish you'd just paid the original fine.

The "allowance" is given in a lot of cases to offset the potential inaccuracy and low tolerances of the cars speedo, which are not 100% accurate. In the UK for example, it's (or was) typically 10%.

I'd just stick to what you're speedo reads. The more you try to sit there working out allowances, you'll end up being distracted and probably end up committing some other vehicle related offence.

Just out of interest, how did you manage to avoid handing across your driving licence from your home country when applying for your Swiss licence? When I applied for my licence, I wasn't given a choice. It was mandated that if I wanted a licence valid to drive here, then I had to hand in my UK licence.
Not sure why you thought I still have my UK license ?
I had to hand mine in when I got my Swiss one.
(However I do have a second UK license that I lost and then found in the UK in my desk draw - provided the house sitters have not touched it :-) - license is invalid of course ...because replacement superseded it and that has now been handed in).

Question - When I return to UK and swap my Swiss license for a UK one again. Does my driving record still show as passed test in March 1980 and I continue my previous driving history in UK ?
Also will I get same category as previous UK license ? ie Can drive vans etc (That i did not bother ticking on Swiss application form).
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Old 03.11.2015, 14:26
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Not sure why you thought I still have my UK license ?
I had to hand mine in when I got my Swiss one.
(However I do have a second UK license that I lost and then found in the UK in my desk draw - provided the house sitters have not touched it :-) - license is invalid of course ...because replacement superseded it and that has now been handed in).

Question - When I return to UK and swap my Swiss license for a UK one again. Does my driving record still show as passed test in March 1980 and I continue my previous driving history in UK ?
Also will I get same category as previous UK license ? ie Can drive vans etc (That i did not bother ticking on Swiss application form).
Your UK license when reissued will show all the old details.

You can actually look at it's status online. I exchanged my one 21 years ago for a CH one, however my UK one is still live according to DVLA.
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Go to work during the day and chill out reading and watching TV at night , be my own man for 4 nights. The wife can watch X Factor and her cooking shows to her hearts content while i'm away doing my porridge lol
They'll allocate a "wife" for you in jail. You two can have a lot of fun in the showers and then find a way of playing "hide and seek" in your cell whilst he's horny. Good luck.
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They'll allocate a "wife" for you in jail. You two can have a lot of fun in the showers and then find a way of playing "hide and seek" in your cell whilst he's horny. Good luck.
Maybe paying the fine was a good option
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Your UK license when reissued will show all the old details.

You can actually look at it's status online. I exchanged my one 21 years ago for a CH one, however my UK one is still live according to DVLA.
You write this but can anyone actually confirm that this is the case? i.e. you have converted a Swiss licence back to a U.K. licence and you have the restrictions you had on the old U.K. licence and not the ones on a Swiss licence?

And additrionally, what if you gained an extra category in Switzerland - would that be transferred?
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Your UK license when reissued will show all the old details.

You can actually look at it's status online. I exchanged my one 21 years ago for a CH one, however my UK one is still live according to DVLA.
I don't think this is normal - an enquiry for mine shows:

You do not hold a current GB driving licence, a licence has been issued by another licensing authority
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Why ? your speedo is always showing under the correct speed, so effectively if you drive at 10% under the highway limit (120kph) as per the speedo, this means you will be driving actually at 112kph as per speedo, whic his wrong by probably 5% minimum, not counting the margin of 5kph allowed.

If you can drive at 112kph according to the speedo why can't you drive at 120 kph according to the speedo ? (which will be far easier as 120 is clearly indicated, 112 not so clear !)
Know your speedo well enough and you can safely set it to include the margins and avoid unnecessarily slowing down the other traffic behind you. On my car an indicated 130kph is an actual 121/122, i.e. well under the prosecution threshold, so I can just set the cruise control on that in camera areas and be safe from the radar.
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I don't think this is normal - an enquiry for mine shows:

You do not hold a current GB driving licence, a licence has been issued by another licensing authority
Yes, we've discussed this before, and I think it depends how long ago you exchanged it, and possibly where. Mine, like FmF's, was apparently never cancelled in the UK, although it shows up as no longer valid, as it was a photo one that needs renewing every ten years, rather than the old paper one that was valid until age 75.
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