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You write this but can anyone actually confirm that this is the case? i.e. you have converted a Swiss licence back to a U.K. licence and you have the restrictions you had on the old U.K. licence and not the ones on a Swiss licence?

And additrionally, what if you gained an extra category in Switzerland - would that be transferred?
My brother got back his old UK license plus the magic addition of A (motorcycles) with a date of a test he never did whilst in CH.

Clearly if the license has extra categories DVLA will have to add them on.
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I don't think this is normal - an enquiry for mine shows:

You do not hold a current GB driving licence, a licence has been issued by another licensing authority
Too lazy to Google ....
What's the link to check your license ?
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Old 03.11.2015, 16:13
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My brother got back his old UK license plus the magic addition of A (motorcycles) with a date of a test he never did whilst in CH.

Clearly if the license has extra categories DVLA will have to add them on.
Is this likely to be the case if there is no record of your current licence?
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Old 03.11.2015, 16:16
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My brother got back his old UK license plus the magic addition of A (motorcycles) with a date of a test he never did whilst in CH.

Clearly if the license has extra categories DVLA will have to add them on.
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Is this likely to be the case if there is no record of your current licence?
The UK used to automatically give you a provisional motorbike license if you had a car license, maybe that is the case here?
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Too lazy to Google ....
What's the link to check your license ?
https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence

Needs your UK driver number and your NI number. And your (last) UK postcode. Mine's still listed, shows my last UK address.
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My UK driving license number is on back of my Swiss license.
Tapped in details and it says my uk license is still valid until
Jan 2023 and on what i can drive is a long list with many category listed including a small truck !

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You can drive vehicles weighing between 3,500 and 7,500kg (with a trailer up to 750kg), with no more than 8 passengers and a driver

Also shows a nice clean license .....(No penalties and restrictions).

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My brother got back his old UK license plus the magic addition of A (motorcycles) with a date of a test he never did whilst in CH.

Clearly if the license has extra categories DVLA will have to add them on.
My record in the UK has Cat A also listed. I have never done a motorcycle test.

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You can drive a motorcycle of a power exceeding 35kW or with a power to weight ratio exceeding 0.2kW per kg, or A motorcycle of a power not exceeding 35kW with a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.2kW per kg and derived from a vehicle of more than double its power. A motor tricycle with a power exceeding 15kW
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You can drive vehicles weighing between 3,500 and 7,500kg (with a trailer up to 750kg), with no more than 8 passengers and a driver
This is standard when you pass your car test in the UK, but in CH it requires a medical, so after a year, or it may be three, you will receive a nice letter from the police telling you that you need a medical certificate to retain this class on your licence. Both myself and my wife decided we really didn't need it, so it's been removed.

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My record in the UK has Cat A also listed. I have never done a motorcycle test.
I know that there were some mistakes made during the period of changeover to the photo licences, and have heard of cases where people have lost their entitlement for some classes, and because the old paper records no longer exist there's no way to prove it

Looks like you and FmF's brother just got lucky. Presumably this category is now on your Swiss one too?
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This is standard when you pass your car test in the UK, but in CH it requires a medical, so after a year, or it may be three, you will receive a nice letter from the police telling you that you need a medical certificate to retain this class on your licence. Both myself and my wife decided we really didn't need it, so it's been removed.
I refused it from day 1.
The lady at the driving license office did not speak English and kept pointing at the form and shouting slowly in Swiss German at me ...she then gave up and wrote a post it in German and showed it to me ....the person in queue behind said "She wants to know if you want to drive a small van/truck or just car"
I said just a car ..and we moved on .
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This is standard when you pass your car test in the UK, but in CH it requires a medical, so after a year, or it may be three, you will receive a nice letter from the police telling you that you need a medical certificate to retain this class on your licence. Both myself and my wife decided we really didn't need it, so it's been removed.



I know that there were some mistakes made during the period of changeover to the photo licences, and have heard of cases where people have lost their entitlement for some classes, and because the old paper records no longer exist there's no way to prove it

Looks like you and FmF's brother just got lucky. Presumably this category is now on your Swiss one too?
My Swiss one lists ;

A1 - Moped I presume speed under 45KPH
B - Car
BE - Car towing a caravan
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You can drive vehicles weighing between 3,500 and 7,500kg (with a trailer up to 750kg), with no more than 8 passengers and a driver

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This is standard when you pass your car test in the UK, but in CH it requires a medical, so after a year, or it may be three, you will receive a nice letter from the police telling you that you need a medical certificate to retain this class on your licence. Both myself and my wife decided we really didn't need it, so it's been removed.
This stopped being standard in the UK from 1st January 1997, since then you have to meet higher medical standards and take theory and practical tests relating to category c1. Those who passed prior to this date have acquired rights.
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Not sure why you thought I still have my UK license ?
I had to hand mine in when I got my Swiss one.
(However I do have a second UK license that I lost and then found in the UK in my desk draw - provided the house sitters have not touched it :-) - license is invalid of course ...because replacement superseded it and that has now been handed in).

Question - When I return to UK and swap my Swiss license for a UK one again. Does my driving record still show as passed test in March 1980 and I continue my previous driving history in UK ?
Also will I get same category as previous UK license ? ie Can drive vans etc (That i did not bother ticking on Swiss application form).
I didn't think anything of it to be honest. I was just giving my opinion based on my own experience. Any likeness or resemblance is purely coincidental.

According to DVLA when I contacted them about this, they told me that when they issue my replacement when I go back, then all my entitlements will still be valid, assuming the "Valid Until" date hasn't been passed.
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Old 03.11.2015, 22:42
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Is this likely to be the case if there is no record of your current licence?
They were given the Swiss one in exchange.
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The UK used to automatically give you a provisional motorbike license if you had a car license, maybe that is the case here?
A for Un restricted motorbike, nothing to do with a moped.
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Old 03.11.2015, 23:38
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It's a well-known road to get a fine. Jetstetten to Eglisau. Long, almost straight, flat and open on both sides - it's just asking for a free run. It takes a lot of self-discipline to stay at 80 especially when everyone else is doing 100 or more. My neighbour was caught and is still fuming.
Worse problem is to stay at 20. There is a 20Km limit here over the border in the direction of Switzerland which is only cancelled in Switzerland some hundreds of metres after the customs control. I stick to 20 until the delimit sign but it is difficult especially as so many people overtake you on this stretch .
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Why ? your speedo is always showing under the correct speed, so effectively if you drive at 10% under the highway limit (120kph) as per the speedo, this means you will be driving actually at 112kph as per speedo, whic his wrong by probably 5% minimum, not counting the margin of 5kph allowed.

If you can drive at 112kph according to the speedo why can't you drive at 120 kph according to the speedo ? (which will be far easier as 120 is clearly indicated, 112 not so clear !)
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I got no allowance on my speeding fine (They must have very accurate speed lasers being used by the police).
My speed-o has a Digital readout as well as the Dial, so easy to stick to 108 in a 120 zone. Either way after 34 years of careful driving , getting two speeding tickets in 8 months in inexcusable, so I will stick to limit minus 10%. Simple way of avoiding getting a judgement and ban for 1 month or more.
If , for eg, the speed limit is 120, I fix the cruise-control at 124. This way my speedometer , obviously, also shows 124, but my navigator shows 120 (coz most speedos are falsely calibrated) . And this is the actual correct speed. So even when I am driving ohne navigator, I just always fix the cruise-control at speed-limit+4.
I don't own a car, and I rent very often. Have never been fined.
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This is my second speeding fine in 35 years of driving.
Both fines in the previous 8 months.
The first one was a camera when I exit a tunnel and the speed limit went down from 80 to 60. I was flashed doing 71. I missed the speed reduction ....my error.

I now drive at limit minus 10% and if the person behind don't like ...tough !
Seeing this is a serious issue to you it might be worth it:
You could have your speedo accuracy checked at varying speeds, perhaps have it calibrated.

I would assume your garage (service center) can do that. Otherwise a TCS center near you or the Strassenverkehrsamt.

Seeing your reaction I'm quite surprised you weren't aware that you were too fast when you got fined for those 28. I mean, getting fined for 28 means the typical speedo shows 115-120 km/h. Plus, to get from 120 limit to 80 you need to have overlooked two signs (I doubt I've ever seen a reduction by more than 20km/h by one sign on the motorway) - unless of course you used to do like me, who's usually having speedo show 10km/h above the limit.

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This is standard when you pass your car test in the UK, but in CH it requires a medical, so after a year, or it may be three, you will receive a nice letter from the police telling you that you need a medical certificate to retain this class on your licence. Both myself and my wife decided we really didn't need it, so it's been removed.
As the cost was covered by my health insurance I just did the medical. I had used a small truck for a house move and a minibus occasionally in the UK so I felt I might as well keep it for the sake of an hour of my time. Having the medical wasn't such a bad thing anyway.
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As the cost was covered by my health insurance I just did the medical. I had used a small truck for a house move and a minibus occasionally in the UK so I felt I might as well keep it for the sake of an hour of my time. Having the medical wasn't such a bad thing anyway.
You can still drive a vehicle up to 3.5 Tonnes without it, and near in mind that you'll have to repeat the medical every two or three years (not sure what the interval is).

Anyway, most folk don't bother with it, and how you could manage to get your insurance to cover it I don't know.
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Seeing this is a serious issue to you it might be worth it:
You could have your speedo accuracy checked at varying speeds, perhaps have it calibrated.

I would assume your garage (service center) can do that. Otherwise a TCS center near you or the Strassenverkehrsamt.

Seeing your reaction I'm quite surprised you weren't aware that you were too fast when you got fined for those 28. I mean, getting fined for 28 means the typical speedo shows 115-120 km/h. Plus, to get from 120 limit to 80 you need to have overlooked two signs (I doubt I've ever seen a reduction by more than 20km/h by one sign on the motorway) - unless of course you used to do like me, who's usually having speedo show 10km/h above the limit.
In this case I had an erratic driver in front of me. I followed him from the German side of the border, he was not keeping in lane and his speed was varying. When I go to the Swiss side of the border , I had a queue of cars behind me and one car over took me and car in front (he took a risk), the next car then did the same and an oncoming car flashed him !
When the road was straight and I could see well ahead , I took the opportunity to overtake the erratic driver in front and basically floored it to get past him as quickly as possible and then slip back in giving him plenty of room between him and me now in front ...as I pulled in a policeman jumped out and flagged me down ...Job done
I mentioned to the policeman about the erratic driver and my thought was that he had too much to drink over Sunday lunch, but they were not interested.
Fine with me.
In future I will never overtake ...If you ever wonder who the guy is sat behind a tractor doing 40KPH in an 80 zone , it will be me :-)
Feel free to pass.
If I see or get stuck behind what I consider a drunk driver , then I will leave a good distance and watch from behind.
In the UK when I was a student (Early 1980's) I used to work in a self service petrol station and a good hint that a driver was drunk was when they fell out of the car onto the forecourt. Then held onto the car fort support as they attempted to fill up with fuel. I normally would not release the pump , get some abuse and they would drive off.

If i had a dash cam, i could have looked up the number plate of the car that was driving erratically and payed him a visit :-)
But maybe that would be a bad idea ...he might have big dog or a gun ....
But on a serious note - I was shocked that the general public could look up car registration plates on-line and access owners address !
Chap at work even demo'ed an iPhone app he had for it.

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You can still drive a vehicle up to 3.5 Tonnes without it, and near in mind that you'll have to repeat the medical every two or three years (not sure what the interval is).
Five years.
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and how you could manage to get your insurance to cover it I don't know.
I just stuck it in the post as normal with any other medical bills we had. I had already gone over the insurance franchise level so it was paid in full (less the normal reduction of course).

Not sure why they wouldn't pay it though, why would it be any different to the normal healthcheck I get at the doctor?
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