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Caught Speeding

Oh well ....As they say stuff happens.
I never break the speeding limit and today I crossed the border between Germany and Switzerland and the road speed limit went from 100KPH down to 80KPH. A car in front had been driving at inconsistent speeds and the Swiss being Swiss I had a car up by back side and a queue behind that.
So when I got the chance I overtook and sped up to overtake.
Yep then got caught by a policeman with a speed gun.
I pulled over and he spoke English and I gave him all my documents.
I;m being reported for doing 108 in a 80 zone.
He said the paper work went to some motoring court and they calculated fine.
Then the driving license office are informed and can remove you license,.
The policeman was very nice and said unless you have previous (I have not ) then it would be very unlikely they would ban you.
A few questions :-

- Do I have to attend a court of any form ?
(He mentioned you can get a lawyer when he filled in form and said that would cost a lot of money. Not sure wht he said that._

- What kind of fine can I expect ?
I will put to one side CHF 1,000.

Any help would be appreciated.

Feeling very nervous and stressed at the moment.
I hate breaking the law and if I have to go to court it would be a nightmare.
The stress of that would be terrible.

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Old 20.09.2015, 20:35
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Re: Caught Speeding

You neither the first or the last, don't stress it.

Search the forum for all your answers and take a deep breath.
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Old 20.09.2015, 20:35
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Re: Caught Speeding

Read the stickies. With 28 over on the autobahn, and incorporating the admin fee, 1000 is probably in the right ballpark.

http://www.englishforum.ch/transport...new-fines.html
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Re: Caught Speeding

Thanks for the reply.

If the speed gun said 108 is that the speed that fine is calculated on or
do they take a few KPH from that ?
ie Give you 3KPH margin so 105KPH is reported ?
108 = CHF 600 fne looking at the table
105 = CHF 400 fine looking at the fine table.

My main concern is , do I have to attend a court ?

Thanks
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Re: Caught Speeding

1st question... we're you stopped in germany or switzerland?
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Oh well ....As they say stuff happens.
I never break the speeding limit and today I crossed the border between Germany and Switzerland and the road speed limit went from 100KPH down to 80KPH. A car in front had been driving at inconsistent speeds ... So when I got the chance I overtook and sped up to overtake.
Most likely he was driving on the Haupt- or Nebenstrasse where the speed limit is 80 km/h in CH vs. 100 km/h in D. I just hope I'm wrong!
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Re: Caught Speeding

I was caught in Switzerland.
We were returning from the North side of the Rheinfalls.
The road took us from Switzerland into Germany and then back into Switzerland.
I following SATNAV back to Zug and did not pay attention to the road number.
Will check on Google maps.

It was the road number 4 with a speed limit of 80KPH just past the German into Swiss border.
I was about 10KM into Switzerland.

https://www.google.ch/maps/@47.60352...1807,16z?hl=en
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Thanks for the reply.

If the speed gun said 108 is that the speed that fine is calculated on or
do they take a few KPH from that ?
ie Give you 3KPH margin so 105KPH is reported ?
108 = CHF 600 fne looking at the table
105 = CHF 400 fine looking at the fine table.

My main concern is , do I have to attend a court ?

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Speeding margins of error (Toleranzen / tolérances):

http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/20080078/ (in D/F/I only)
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Re: Caught Speeding

Thanks for the reply.

I presume the camera guns the police hold are laser ?
So it looks like I get 4KPH and the 108 goes down to 104KPH and in the CHF 400 fine zone.

It's not the fine to be honest, it's the stress. I don't know why ....but that's just me.
Having to go to court would be terrible. I would have to get someone to represent me, because of my limited Swiss German. On a scale of 1 - 10 m I sore 1/4.
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Re: Caught Speeding

While I was waiting for the policeman to tap my details into his notepad (iPAD) form, he had a had written list of people he had stopped.
I was 6th on his page and he had two listed at 105 , 2 including me at 108 and one at 122.
While he was finishing with me , the second policeman pulled another car in.
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Re: Caught Speeding

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I was caught in Switzerland.
We were returning from the North side of the Rheinfalls.
The road took us from Switzerland into Germany and then back into Switzerland.
I following SATNAV back to Zug and did not pay attention to the road number.
Will check on Google maps.

It was the road number 4 with a speed limit of 80KPH just past the German into Swiss border.
I was about 10KM into Switzerland.

https://www.google.ch/maps/@47.60352...1807,16z?hl=en

It's a well-known road to get a fine. Jetstetten to Eglisau. Long, almost straight, flat and open on both sides - it's just asking for a free run. It takes a lot of self-discipline to stay at 80 especially when everyone else is doing 100 or more. My neighbour was caught and is still fuming.
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Old 21.09.2015, 08:31
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Government departments have already started thinking about their Christmas parties - extra funding required = motorists, easy target.
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Having to go to court would be terrible. I would have to get someone to represent me, because of my limited Swiss German. On a scale of 1 - 10 m I sore 1/4.
You wont have to go to court. You may choose to, but then it will most likely cost you double.
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Re: Caught Speeding

i was speeding as simple as that.
So no i would not opt to go to court.
I would have had a nervous breakdown prior to that :-(

Fine = Whatever ...That's life and I will simply pay it.
(Just had a tax windfall (well my own money, but feels like it) , so I get given in one hand and payout from the other).

Ban = Hope not and policeman also said he doubted it , as first time I have been reported to court for judgement on fine.

But thought of going to court would stress me out big time.
Probably run away to Syria.
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Re: Caught Speeding

No need to appear in front of a court.

You will get a nice letter from the Statthalter from the Bezirk Bülach Mr. Hanspeter Frei.

Fine is approx CHF 600.
Court fee is:
CHF 430 for a fine from CHF 401 to CHF 600.
or CHF 550 for a fine from CHF 601 to CHF 1000.

Expect the letter in about two to four weeks. AFAIK you have 14 days to pay or object.

Some time later you will get an letter from the StVA Zug/Department for Administrative Measures. They will put you on a two year probation/warning period. If you get caught speeding in this two year period, and it cannot be handled with a simple fine you will get a driving ban of at least one month.

For this simple letter you will get another bill: CHF 200.

In Total: Around CHF 1230.
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Relax, it's not like you killed someone.
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No need to appear in front of a court.

You will get a nice letter from the Statthalter from the Bezirk Bülach Mr. Hanspeter Frei.

Fine is approx CHF 600.
Court fee is:
CHF 430 for a fine from CHF 401 to CHF 600.
or CHF 550 for a fine from CHF 601 to CHF 1000.

Expect the letter in about two to four weeks. AFAIK you have 14 days to pay or object.

Some time later you will get an letter from the StVA Zug/Department for Administrative Measures. They will put you on a two year probation/warning period. If you get caught speeding in this two year period, and it cannot be handled with a simple fine you will get a driving ban of at least one month.

For this simple letter you will get another bill: CHF 200.

In Total: Around CHF 1230.
Thanks for your clear explanation.
I will pay the fines/bills on the same day and accept the findings.

Don't worry, i will not make the same mistake twice and speed.
It was S's law.
I always drive within the limit and on this occasion I had a car in front who was on/off his brakes. Queue of cars behind me. Car behind me over took both of us. The next one did the same. Thus i figured I should overtake the erratic driver in front ...put foot down to get past as quickly as possible and bang ....a policeman in distance waving me down :-(
oh well that's life.
And me being the one who sticks to the speed limits and had Audi or Merc 4 feet away from my rear bumper.
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Re: Caught Speeding

One thing in life I`ve learnt is to pay NO attention to the drivers behind me. Its the ones in front that count (because I`M behind them and would be at fault!)

Last week I crawled along behind a huge tractor with trailer - 80km zone, he was doing 65 - 70 but road full of blind curves) So I just tootled along behind him and eventually he turned off. Looooooong queu of cars behind me, but so what?! They were free to pass if so wishing.

My first speeding fine arrived in post this week too - for a couple seconds of not paying attention - 3km`s over the 50 limit! (free 5km`s so my 58 was my crime)
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Please do not tip over to the other side and become an overly careful and slow driver. Otherwise you'd become:

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This is why driving too slow will result in a failed driving test (rightfully so). Slow or erratic drivers usually claim that they want to drive carefully, but all they achieve is make everyone behind them lose their focus and patience. The effect is a net increase in dangerous situations. Careful driving also means not antagonizing other road users.

Yes you made a mistake and you are paying for it, but you should know that the erratic dingbat in front of you was at least partly at fault. They went unpunished at that instance, but eventually the forces of the universe will conspire such that they rear-end a fertilizer truck out on a mission with a particularly well fermented load. You'll know it when out of the blue a warm, fuzzy and unexpected satisfaction washes over you. When that happens, you'll know that you had your vengeance and justice was finally served.
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Re: Caught Speeding

Well here we are some weeks later, so time to post an update.

I was detected speeding on the 20th of September, doing 108 in a 80 zone via a police speed trap.

The fine arrived in the post on the 21st of October (Was hoping they had lost the data :-) ) and the fine broke down to ;

CHF 320 for the fine and CHF 330 for the admin cost/court cost.
Also I was given the option (So the person who read the letter for me said) the option to go to prison for 4 days rather than pay the fine ???

This week 2nd November I got a rambling letter that was translated for me (person who read it and Swiss , said it was a badly written letter) saying I now had a warning and this applied for 2 years and If caught again in 2 years I would get a 1 month ban. It also went on to say that speeding a little bit was ok ??? i.e. If I got caught and fined for doing 16 above limit in a town, 21 above limit on a rural road or 26 above limit on a motorway <--- Above would trigger a violation of Warning.
It also mentioned drink driving would trigger a violation in the 2 year warning period (Not an issue because I stopped drinking alcohol back in 2007 for health reasons).

I will now presume I will get a bill for the Warning letter.

This is my second speeding fine in 35 years of driving.
Both fines in the previous 8 months.
The first one was a camera when I exit a tunnel and the speed limit went down from 80 to 60. I was flashed doing 71. I missed the speed reduction ....my error.

I now drive at limit minus 10% and if the person behind don't like ...tough !


Q: Just curious - If you got a ban for say 1 month or 3 months + and you were returning to the UK during the ban period, i presume you can't drive in the UK and convert your Swiss license into a UK one until the ban was expired ?
(Not that i intend to be in that position).
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