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Car accidents in the middle of the road

I want to ask this because if I get into an accident myself I'd like to know the correct procedure.

I've been here almost a year and seen the aftermath of about 4 or 5 car/bike accidents, and at the scene of every one the cars/bike are left in situ while the people stand around and watch the traffic build up without (it seems) a care in the world.

It is normal practice to leave any vehicles in situ after an accident? Is this so the police can apportion blame? I've seen this in very minor 2 car prangs and more serious ones (today, motorbike under a merc, no injures by the look of the biker standing casually on the side)

I feel like it's important to know this because my immediate response to a non injury accident would be to remove the obstruction from the road (if safe to do so)but it seems that isn't the way it's done here.
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Old 26.10.2015, 10:44
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Re: Car accidents in the middle of the road

Our good friend ch.ch might help.
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Old 26.10.2015, 10:49
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Re: Car accidents in the middle of the road

I didn't know about that website. Thanks
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Re: Car accidents in the middle of the road

thank you for posting. I see a lot of minor accidents on the autoroute with people just standing beside it when no injuries or really bad things happened. Like 3 or 4 cars head on tail collision. Not pleasant but why not move the cars off the road?

ch.ch says you need to document but after taking a few photographs it should be ok. Would there be a lot of hassle with insurance and for that reason they leave the cars where they are?

A similar accident on a German Autobahn would be cleared in 15 minutes...
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Old 26.10.2015, 11:00
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Re: Car accidents in the middle of the road

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Do not move anything at the scene of the accident before the police arrive unless this is essential in order to protect injured people or for the safety of other road users.
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Re: Car accidents in the middle of the road

I would advise to just fill in an accident report form & be done with it, if you call the police both drivers will likely be prosecuted. I had to go to court to appeal, it wasted time, however I won. If a person is injured the police must be called.

The police are in no way independent, they have their own agenda.

Taking photos before moving the car is not a bad idea, but it's not necessary.
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Old 26.10.2015, 11:03
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Re: Car accidents in the middle of the road

Ch.ch also says to contact the police if there is injuries or if people are being difficult. So technically a non injury accident has no requirement for police (just like uk) and after photos of damage are taken the vehicles could be moved.
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I would advise to just fill in an accident report form & be done with it, if you call the police both drivers will likely be prosecuted.
really, why would they do that? seems to me a waste of time.

Would you lose your licence for being/causing a accident even if there is only car damage. Like the 3rd car in a head and tail would be liable for not keeping the distance (as in the swiss hobby of driving very close to the car in front)
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Old 26.10.2015, 11:12
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Re: Car accidents in the middle of the road

If nobody's injured and drivers are in general agreement, sitting in the middle of the road is anti-social and a hugely dick move. I've seen way too many "accidents" where you can barely see a scratch on the freaking bumpers, on the exit/entrance of the Gubrist blocking the Nordring all the way to Spreitenbach.


Go to the next exit, and do whatever the f you want with the paperwork etc. You don't have to destroy everyone's commute because of a fender bender...

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Old 26.10.2015, 11:13
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Re: Car accidents in the middle of the road

Minor points - most people are more or less in shock after an accident. Even the sound of the crash is enough for most folk to be a bit shaky. Immediate reactions can be far from the normal or correct ones. And it can be that someone only realises they are injured later. I broke a rib in a road accident once and only found out after a week. My back hurt of course, but this didn't register in a 30 vehicle pile-up with serious injuries right and left.
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Old 26.10.2015, 11:34
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sitting in the middle of the road is anti-social and a hugely dick move.
Well yes exactly, which it's quite mindboogling why people do stand on the side of the road with their thumbs up their arses and their scratched car in the way.
I get that shock comes into it, but after a short time when it's clear you're ok I'd say that's a good time to start moving your car. In theroy, but clearly not in practice especially if ch.ch is anything to go by.
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why people do stand on the side of the road with their thumbs up their arses
Rubbish hitchhikers?
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Re: Car accidents in the middle of the road

Remember that a lot of people have less than 1 accident in their life, even less multiple vehicles accidents, they probably don't know what to do and are often shaky (and the clutch is not easy to maneuver when shaky especially for precision moves). I would always take photos btw unless you are certain you are at 100% fault, those should be enough then you can move the vehicles.
And biological damage may come out later (whiplash especially), you will want to have done things carefully then.
The police should be avoided when possible, but i think with multiple vehicles involved it's sometimes necessary, with foreign cars too maybe.
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Old 26.10.2015, 11:50
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It's what hitchhikers have to do when they don't want a lift somewhere.
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Old 26.10.2015, 11:56
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And biological damage may come out later (whiplash especially), you will want to have done things carefully then.
The police should be avoided when possible, but i think with multiple vehicles involved it's sometimes necessary, with foreign cars too maybe.
I have heard of two stories where the health insurance wanted the police report or they wouldn't pay for anything. Once it was whiplash, and once a back injury, both coming up about a week after the accident...
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Old 26.10.2015, 11:58
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Do not move anything at the scene of the accident before the police arrive unless this is essential in order to protect injured people or for the safety of other road users.
No, it does not for motorway accidents: "If at all possible, steer your vehicle onto the hard shoulder."

That makes sense and is reasonable. I never understand people who keep their car parked on the left lane for an obviously minor accident - there is not much to discuss, the cars are in one line and the one who crashed into the other one is at fault... even if the one in front had to brake suddenly or what not - 98% of all cars on a Swiss motorway simply don't keep the distance you are supposed to... and that's the occasional result of not doing so. Just move the crap out of the way and don't risk the lives of others.
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Re: Car accidents in the middle of the road

Definitely what Treverus says.

A few years ago I bumped into the car ahead of me on the motorway, middle lane of three, with traffic still flowing on the left and the right of our lane at high speed (80+ km/h, perhaps above 100). I did hit my head on the ceiling so possible injury involved. And yet it was obvious moving out of harms way was the only reasonably reaction.

No matter what damage was caused, there is simply no way to justify not moving all people out of harms way in a scene like this if reasonably doable, as well as the vehicles as they may otherwise cause even more accidents and thereby damage before the authorities have arrived.

So it boils down to keeping people safe, moving them out of harms way if necessary, and not endangering other traffic participants. Only after that do you care about keeping/destroying evidence. Within a city the first aspect is usually a minor concern so people will tend to leaving everything in place.
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I have heard of two stories where the health insurance wanted the police report or they wouldn't pay for anything. Once it was whiplash, and once a back injury, both coming up about a week after the accident...
That makes sense if you consider that you have to call the police in case of injury. Bit of a pain (literally) if it crops up after the incident - but then presumably your normal health insurance covers it (as opposed to your accident insurance).
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That makes sense if you consider that you have to call the police in case of injury. Bit of a pain (literally) if it crops up after the incident - but then presumably your normal health insurance covers it (as opposed to your accident insurance).
Ah right, it was the accident insurance, not the health insurance, thank you for pointing it out.
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