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Re: What is it with classic Porsches

I want a 912.

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Hi All,

As Ace1 seems to be very picky about the car threads, why not have a thread where you can discuss in which thread you should post.

Well I dunno - you try and make things easier, what thanks do you get?

So just to rub it in

Now, which Off-Topic forum should I move it to?
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Already a classic - and an obvious one. Along with any unmolested and very good condition car from the 80s and earlier
Indeed an obvious one -- but there are still some affordable examples out there.

I'm not convinced that "any unmolested and very good condition car from the 80s and earlier" is, or even will be, a classic...
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Old 09.11.2015, 18:55
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I have a Volvo 940 station wagon with a red block engine. Driving it is like sitting on a couch in your own backyard. I think I might be able to get 1,000,000 kilometres on it one day. Classic?
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Indeed an obvious one -- but there are still some affordable examples out there.

I'm not convinced that "any unmolested and very good condition car from the 80s and earlier" is, or even will be, a classic...
Many moons ago when a certain older gentleman was setting up uk.rec.motorcycles.classic a previously-coined definition was loosely applied

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"classic status" = "age" x "how good was it when it was new?" x "special interest multiplier"

where age must have a minimum value of, say, 10 years, "How good when new" is rated on the scale of 1 to 10, and the "special interest multiplier" varies between 1 and 2. Let's work some examples :

400 four = 25 x 8 x 1 = 200
Suzuki RE5 = 28 x 3 x 2 = 168
GPZ900R = 17 x 9 x 1= 153
GPz750 turbo = 17 x 7 x 1.5 = 119
BSA Bantam = 45 x 3 x 1 = 135
Norton Commando = 30 x 4 x 1= 120
CB500T = 27 x 3 x 1.2 = 97.2
XS750 = 22 x 3 x 1.4 = 92.4
Can anyone apply this to cars and see what the relative scoring would be to make it work?

For a start I think both the "how good when new" and "special interest" scores would have to run from zero, thereby allowing a possible zero score no matter how old, although in practice I guess anything old enough will have at least some special interest...
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Re: Classic Cars - Future Classics

BMW M5 E34 Touring: it's simply awesome and less than 1000 were produced, it's rarer than a Ferrari F40!
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BMW M5 E34 Touring: it's simply awesome and less than 1000 were produced, it's rarer than a Ferrari F40!
Z8 Alpina, designed by the great Henrik Fisker, if you bought one of these back in the day you will have made some money.
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I like this thread. I am just about to pick up a used Porsche, but I'm wondering how much it will cost me on yearly maintenance.

Would like to hear how much Porsche owners have spent on maintenance annually on average, and how many kilometres you drive it in a year.

The model I am considering is known to grind up the IMS bearings, and this one has not done it yet. I'm wondering if I should expect it to at some point. I understand it would require a new engine if it happens. Anyone have any experience in preventing it?
Hi Phos,

It entirely depends on a few key factors:
  • Will you get it serviced by a authorized Porsche dealer or an independent?
  • Which model are you specifically looking at?

For me (I have a 997 C4S), I service it at Porsche authorized dealers, I use it as a daily driver and I put probably between 10,000 and 11,000 km per year on the car.

Excluding routine things like winter wheel/tyre changes, I would say that I spend something like CHF 500 for oil changes, CHF 1200 for "minor" maintenance (every 2 years/30,000 km) and CHF 2,000 for "major" maintenance visits (every 4 years/60,000 km). So, in other words, not cheap...

That being said, as soon as you roll down the windows, turn over the engine, get it warmed up and are bombing down your favourite twisty road, these will seem like "reasonable" expenses.

Good luck!

P.S. I'm selling my car due to a move over on another thread, if interested...
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Old 09.11.2015, 22:48
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Hi Phos,

It entirely depends on a few key factors:
  • Will you get it serviced by a authorized Porsche dealer or an independent?
  • Which model are you specifically looking at?
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That being said, as soon as you roll down the windows, turn over the engine, get it warmed up and are bombing down your favourite twisty road, these will seem like "reasonable" expenses.

Good luck!

P.S. I'm selling my car due to a move over on another thread, if interested...
Agreed. Quality time experience is what you pay for, and as such, it is worth it.

I wasn't really looking for one, rather an acquiantance offered a Boxster 987 at less than half its blue book value, because they will not be here beyond winter. So I will take it and probably keep it in storage until Spring. It's under the guise of getting it for my wife, although I will probably do most of the driving. Sure, its not a 911. Its an entry level Porsche, but its still pretty tight and sporty to drive.

I could probably just buy it, then turn around and sell it for a profit. Unless the IMS bearings get eaten right away, in which case, the project would have failed. I think a 911 would require more TLC, but I don't really want to commit the time and resources for it. The Boxster risk would not be as painful if it should go bad. I understand fixing busted IMS bearings means getting a new engine, which would cost about 20K.

I love Tinkiwinki's advice to drive it like I stole it. Looking forward to it.
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Unless the IMS bearings get eaten right away, in which case, the project would have failed. I think a 911 would require more TLC, but I don't really want to commit the time and resources for it. The Boxster risk would not be as painful if it should go bad. I understand fixing busted IMS bearings means getting a new engine, which would cost about 20K.


Given the good price, maybe you could invest in an IMS upgrade solution from LN Engineering or Pelican Parts?


http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarti...ft_Bearing.htm


Good luck!
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Given the good price, maybe you could invest in an IMS upgrade solution from LN Engineering or Pelican Parts?


http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarti...ft_Bearing.htm


Good luck!
Yes, I think that would be worth doing with a clutch job. Although I get the impression the problem is not so much with the part material as it is with the design. So I could potentially get one of these only for it to grind up after a while. I need to find a Porsche mechanic who has worked on a lot of these.
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Re: What is it with classic Porsches?/ Classic Cars - Future Classics

I'm a Mercedes fan

Saving up for this classic piece (in another life that is!)

http://www.beerens.be/classic-divisi...-b844de988d45/
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Limited production run
Motorsport heritage
Air cooled
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  • Not looking like a burk
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Z8 Alpina, designed by the great Henrik Fisker, if you bought one of these back in the day you will have made some money.
The basic Z8 too is set to become a very valuable car in the future.
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The basic Z8 too is set to become a very valuable car in the future.
Already is. Heidegger has a cellar full of them - well not full - but 6, 4 normal and 2 Alpina. None for sale
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Agreed. Quality time experience is what you pay for, and as such, it is worth it.

I wasn't really looking for one, rather an acquiantance offered a Boxster 987 at less than half its blue book value, because they will not be here beyond winter. So I will take it and probably keep it in storage until Spring. It's under the guise of getting it for my wife, although I will probably do most of the driving. Sure, its not a 911. Its an entry level Porsche, but its still pretty tight and sporty to drive.

I love Tinkiwinki's advice to drive it like I stole it. Looking forward to it.
There is something with older cars you get cheap that makes me happy. Is it the ease to leave it on a parking lot without worrying or is it that you can trash it, rev it and have loads of fun with it without risking a lot of money.

I think you will have loads of fun in the boxster. let me know if you want to sell it
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Re: What is it with classic Porsches?/ Classic Cars - Future Classics

my thread seems to have gone flat.. so let's see:

XR3i! future classic?

www.autoscout24.ch/582992
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my thread seems to have gone flat.. so let's see:

XR3i! future classic?

www.autoscout24.ch/582992
4,900chf you are buying it because you like it and not what anyone else thinks.

His work is excellent - takes incredible care in presenting cars for sale (based on experience) - I'd buy from him again.
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4,900chf you are buying it because you like it and not what anyone else thinks.

His work is excellent - takes incredible care in presenting cars for sale (based on experience) - I'd buy from him again.
An RS Turbo just went for GBP 60,000
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4,900chf you are buying it because you like it and not what anyone else thinks.

His work is excellent - takes incredible care in presenting cars for sale (based on experience) - I'd buy from him again.
CHF 4,900? The ad says CHF 2,900. But it's still a 1.6 with 100,000 km...

ETA... Ah, I see (now that I've read further). CHF 2,000 extra if you want a car that's likely to work...
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