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winterkomplettrad [winter tires]

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Looking for some advice regarding winter tires. I have all seasons on our family car and have found online a winter complete set (rims and tires) for a good price, good shape and nearby. Problem is, the alu rims even though same size, are not similar to the originals for the make model. Touran 2003.

I've read somewhere that if one changes the rims, is necessary to have the authorities checking them or some special paper.. that the seller online doesn't have.

Can one drive with some generic alu rims that are not the ones that come original with the car?

Thanks in advance for any hint on this.
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Re: winterkomplettrad

will they fit the Touran you have? Spacing, offset?

I have some alloys that I got recently and they came with a TÜV document which should be good for Switzerland. You'll need the sheet should you be checked - which from my experience is only if you do MFK with them on. Are they OEM VW rims?
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Re: winterkomplettrad

Thanks for your response!

Our car just went through the MFK so i'm guessing is all good for a couple of years. About your second question, i'm not sure if they are OEM by VW but they are listed as VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat universal rims... uhmm..

Next question is, what happens if one has an accident and the car has rims that are not the ones inspected at the MFK? there's where i think trouble starts.. or am i being paranoid with the so many rules of this system?
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Re: winterkomplettrad

Are you sure the holes are in the right place and the offset it correct? Clearance for the breaks?

I'd be very careful.
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Re: winterkomplettrad [winter tires]

TUV is generally not good enough for the Swiss when it comes to registering non-original wheels but in terms of day-to-day practicalities I believe there is a certain amount of flexibility e.g. if the wheels are more or less the right fitment then it's OK from a safety point of view. I wanted to run wheels which came from a different model on my car and even though they were OE was not allowed because they were never offered standard on my model.

Personally l generally wouldn't buy non-OE wheels but you need to get the handbook out or search online and find the offered sizes - width, diameter and offset, and compare those with what are being offered. People often forget about the offset. Or alternatively your certificate of conformity will tell you what wheels and tyres you can have, if you have one.
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Re: winterkomplettrad [winter tires]

..and also don't forget the centre diameter :-) ...and the bolt hold diameter :-)
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If you're certain that the rims are the correct fitting for your car, then you shouldn't have any problems. Whether they look like the originals or not isn't relevant - a sharp-eyed tester would be able to tell even if they were quite similar, should they be interested.

In my experience they don't check - certainly one of ours has gone through the test with non-OEM alloys during the winter - but if you are asked to get tested while they're fitted and you're concerned then you could just swap them back to the summer ones for the test anyway.

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I think the latter. First off, there's no obligation to bring along your spare set to get them tested too, second the tester won't even make a note of what wheels were fitted when it passed, and third, unless the wheels were the wrong fitting and a possible cause of the accident, no-one's even going to think about looking at them.

Oh, and how often is the MFK done in your area anyway? in BS and OW my experience is that they ask for it only about once every five years on a new-ish car, so if it's just had one I wouldn't even give it a second thought.
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Re: winterkomplettrad [winter tires]

If your car comes originaly with alu rims, and you buy the same size, offset, holes, and make as mentioned in the type aporval doocument you can swap them without special aproval. (Make is most of the times not listed, which means you can chose freely. Make may be listed on some older cars and high performance cars.) (ASA 2a, 4.5.2.1 Für den Fahrzeugtyp genehmigte Felgen, page 59)

Go to a rim or tyre dealer and request the TARGA-Tyre extract for your car (May cost CHF 5). All approved rim dimension and rim materials are listed on it.

For rims not listed on this document you will need an additional paper (asa-Prüfbericht), and MFK inspection if track width changed by more than 2%.
(ASA 2a, 4.5.2.2 Nicht für den Fahrzeugtyp genehmigte Felgen, page 60)
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Re: winterkomplettrad [winter tires]

Remembering the old adage, if something is very cheap it might not be correct!

Why is the seller selling good winter tyres on alloy wheels at a cheap price at the beginning of the season? Can you hear the alarm bells ringing now?

Only buy them if they have the correct certificate and if the certificate specifies your car model. Otherwise you will be buying future problems.

You can buy new winter tyres with steel wheels at any good German tyre shop, for a reasonable price. http://www.reifentek.de/
and you get the 19% tax refunded within an hour.
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You can buy new winter tyres with steel wheels at any good German tyre shop, for a reasonable price. http://www.reifentek.de/
and you get the 19% tax refunded also immediately.
Very bad advice. If the type aporval document only lists alu or magnesium rims you can not mount steel rims. Check the TARGA-Tyre extract and you are safe.
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You can buy new winter tyres with steel wheels at any good German tyre shop, for a reasonable price. http://www.reifentek.de/
It's worth pointing out that as well as the suitability/acceptability of steel rims, they're not always available or physically possible to fit in larger sizes. For cheapness and damage resistance reasons I'd much prefer steel winter wheels, but they're not able to fit either of our cars.
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Re: winterkomplettrad [winter tires]

Just wanted to thank everyone for the help. I decided to go with the exact same size rims fitted with winter tyres. Got a good deal yesterday night over tutti, a 10min drive, went to check and decided to get them. Car is now waiting for the snow.
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Re: winterkomplettrad [winter tires]

Hey guys,


Great thread, perfect timing, as we are looking for winter tires & rims ourselves. We will check tutti .. any other recommendations for online or physical stores we should check? We would like to get decent tires & rims, and a decent price.


Thanks in advance!
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Great thread, perfect timing, as we are looking for winter tires & rims ourselves. We will check tutti .. any other recommendations for online or physical stores we should check? We would like to get decent tires & rims, and a decent price. Thanks in advance!
A thing to remember when buying secondhand tyres is they are often older than the recommended 10 years. If you intend using them for maybe 2 years, you really don't want to buy tyres older than 7 years old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire#Markings
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Re: winterkomplettrad [winter tires]

Yes there are many (numbers) things you should ask the seller and double check yourself online and with your cars specs.

The dotnumber mentioned above, so you don't get older than 8 year tires, the mm on the "profil" left (if second hand). And most importantly the rim dimensions.

As said before I decided to play safe and got the exact same rims and tires from 2014 for 170CHF just 10min from home, they included covers and a set of chains.
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Re: winterkomplettrad [winter tires]

Careful buying wheels in Germany and using them here. I had a nightmare getting alloys approved in Switzerland because TÜV documents were not good enough. Documents similar to TÜV need to contain a signature. The wheels simply came from reifendirect.
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Re: winterkomplettrad [winter tires]

Exactly as stated above.. TÜV cert on its own is not accepted though many border stores will provide a swiss certificate
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A thing to remember when buying secondhand tyres is they are often older than the recommended 10 years. If you intend using them for maybe 2 years, you really don't want to buy tyres older than 7 years old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire#Markings

I was actually looking for new tires; we would certainly look into gently-used secondhand tires if that is an option. Thanks for the heads-up on buying those older, secondhand, tires.


We went to a shop near us (the shop is located in Baar). The price quoted for a set of rims and winter tires was over CHF 2500. Really hope we can do better than this, thus the question on what places folks here go to for their winter tires.
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Re: winterkomplettrad [winter tires]

We have just gone through this after finding that the alloys from our 2012 A4 were not allowed on our 2015 A4. After much research we ended up buying from the guy in Unteraegeri, saving over 500 CHF on the quotes from Amag and the other large tyre place near Lidl in Zug.

Not always a better price from the big boys!

Our old set are still available by the way

Audi 17" Alloy Wheels x 4 with winter tyres. (Zug area)
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