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Re: Choosing a family car Mazda CX5, Nissan X Trial, Mercedes E Class, Audi A6

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"Shalhambra" is spacier.
Also, the Touran is considered the "cheapish" version of the Sharan.

If I had three kids, I wouldn't hesitate to get one - provided I still had enough money then ;-)
Above it, there's only Mercedes V-Class. Or the Toyota Sienna.
Toyota Siennas have a sort of fanbase in Switzerland (AFAIK, they weren't officially available but grey-imports from indivual dealers. Sometime in 2014 or 2015, Toyota decided to put them on their official pricelist).

But for commuting? Wouldn't you want to have a car as small (or rather: cheap) as possible for that?
As mentioned above and in the title I will only choose between the
Mazda CX5, Nissan X Trial, Mercedes E Class, Audi A6

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No I do not want to be doing 25000km a year in a cheap car.
To be honest I don't want to be doing 1km in a cheap car.

"cheapish"... I lease my cars for 2 years. In my cases leasing a Mercedes E class is cheaper than leasing a Vauxhall Zafira. Cars with 2 different price tags. But Zafira looses her value in the first 2 years. So in my case "cheapish" works differently.

VW Touran is at good leasing price and will make 2 years with us in May. Middle daughter now walks so no need for "double pram", other smaller pram is in place, hence E Class and A6 are in the game.
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Re: Choosing a family car Mazda CX5, Nissan X Trial, Mercedes E Class, Audi A6

Personally, when I was riding in the back of my boss's A6 (RS Avant, the V10 version), I didn't find the car that comfortable. Certainly not for the price (though he apparently bought 2nd-hand, having someone else swallow the 30-50% deprecation). Sitting in the driver-seat is something different, of course. But I sat in the back as a kid long enough...

To each his own, of course.

But even though I drive very little and could probably get by with a 10000km/year lease, it would still drive me nuts to have this limit nagging me in the back of my head.
That, and the fact that I would basically "rent" the car would totally take the fun out of owning it.
I get that with leasing a new car, you just don't have to think about a lot of problems that come with owning a car for fifteen years (like my current one). Rust, gearbox-problems etc.pp...
But while my bills from the yearly service are higher, my deprecation is zero. So I believe to still come out ahead ;-)

Maybe once the car drives itself and I can read a newspaper while it carries me to my destination, I will enjoy driving a bit more.

Until then, a commute by car (that I have to drive) is my worst nightmare. Regardless of the size of the car and the distance.
And because of that, I would try to spend as little money on it as possible.


From your initial list, I would probably try the E-Class.

If you check mobile.de, you should get a wider selection of cars. Especially, if 4x4 isn't required.
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Re: Choosing a family car Mazda CX5, Nissan X Trial, Mercedes E Class, Audi A6

An RS6 is not an A6
Well, it is, but it takes the hard riding suspension of the A6 and makes it harder.

The OP is not asking what is the cheapest way to drive around or how to search for cars in Germany - the OP wants feedback on the cars they have chosen.

If you do that - you get 2 camps - the X-Trail camp and the E-Class camp. I'm in the latter - I've owned older varieties of both cars and enjoyed the ownership experience of both - and clocked big KMs in both. But given a choice of 1 to do 50km each way each day - it would be the comfy luxury-saloon rather than the 7-seater compact SUV.
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Re: Choosing a family car Mazda CX5, Nissan X Trial, Mercedes E Class, Audi A6

try Autokunz.ch for demo cars with low mileage & low prices.
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Re: Choosing a family car Mazda CX5, Nissan X Trial, Mercedes E Class, Audi A6

I just watched it. Until now I was unaware about a NEW Touran being available since Dec 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GjP0qSN8Kk

I can see a lot of similarities with the VW Passat I drove back in December.

I like it.
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Re: Choosing a family car Mazda CX5, Nissan X Trial, Mercedes E Class, Audi A6

Painful reality check for me today as I went around to all dealerships.

This time I properly fitted the child seats and had the kids with me.

None of the cars in the title thread are suitable for me:

Especially disappointed with the X-Trial regarding the 3 child seats test.

Mercedes E Class - fits the 3 maxi cosy nice, but to get kids in sleeping position need to move passenger and driver seat very forward and that makes it super uncomfortable.

"Multimac" might be a solution but apart from it being very expensive system seat to not recline, so its a no.

I cannot justify the price of VW Sharan and Seat Alhambra. To me they don't offer much extra for their price tag. The rest of the cars with 3 seats on the back didn't make it on the list.

VW Touran it is... again. That saloon car will wait for few more years.

As I was told here on the forum once..."Practical, real life solutions aren't always sexy!"
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"Multimac" might be a solution but apart from it being very expensive system seat to not recline, so its a no.
The only time to consider a multimac is if you are buying something meaty - M5, E63, XFRS - otherwise stick for cars that will take 3 seats as standard.

IIRC EVO fitted a 4-seat Multimac in an M3
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Painful reality check for me today as I went around to all dealerships.

This time I properly fitted the child seats and had the kids with me.

None of the cars in the title thread are suitable for me:

Especially disappointed with the X-Trial regarding the 3 child seats test.

Mercedes E Class - fits the 3 maxi cosy nice, but to get kids in sleeping position need to move passenger and driver seat very forward and that makes it super uncomfortable.

"Multimac" might be a solution but apart from it being very expensive system seat to not recline, so its a no.

I cannot justify the price of VW Sharan and Seat Alhambra. To me they don't offer much extra for their price tag. The rest of the cars with 3 seats on the back didn't make it on the list.

VW Touran it is... again. That saloon car will wait for few more years.

As I was told here on the forum once..."Practical, real life solutions aren't always sexy!"
at least put a nice sticker on it
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I cannot justify the price of VW Sharan and Seat Alhambra. To me they don't offer much extra for their price tag. The rest of the cars with 3 seats on the back didn't make it on the list.



VW Touran it is... again.

The price might be lack of competition, and much smaller scale of sales.
These minivans (VW Sharan, Ford Galaxy, Renault Espace, Citroen C8) are 4.8m long and weight about 1.8 metric ton so add passive protection against a car slamming from behind. But that's just me where a few of my relatives and acquaintances had such car accidents, and in one case severe injuries happened in a smaller car hit from behind.
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The price might be lack of competition, and much smaller scale of sales.
These minivans (VW Sharan, Ford Galaxy, Renault Espace, Citroen C8) are 4.8m long and weight about 1.8 metric ton so add passive protection against a car slamming from behind. But that's just me where a few of my relatives and acquaintances had such car accidents, and in one case severe injuries happened in a smaller car hit from behind.
You are right. Never seen it from that angle.

VW Sharan is around 2,290 kg
VW Touran is around 1,556 kg
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at least put a nice sticker on it
I like your post. Made me smile
And that is what I do for living, vehicle graphics.
I will cut myself same sticker tomorrow!
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The only time to consider a multimac is if you are buying something meaty - M5, E63, XFRS - otherwise stick for cars that will take 3 seats as standard.

IIRC EVO fitted a 4-seat Multimac in an M3
No meat for me, thanks. Looks like I've become vegeterian.
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Re: Choosing a family car Mazda CX5, Nissan X Trial, Mercedes E Class, Audi A6

There are a handful of Alhambras sub 30k.

http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/autos/s...&yearfrom=2013

(I'm not sure I'd go without 4x4 on such a heavy car in Switzerland - but you get a lot more results when you drop 4x4).

Boss has a Sharan (and 3 kids, has had a Sharan pretty much since the facelifted models came out late 2010/early 2011), co-worker has an Alhambra since September.

From what I understand, the Touran is less expensive because it is really a smaller car and offers less "sophistication".
Outside the luxury models, the Sharan is probably VW's car with the least changes made over the years.
Rumors are, it's going to disappear in 2017 in favor of a "large" Touran.
But nobody knows for sure.
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Bearing in mind that I will have no credit history in Switzerland, do you think I will be given the option:
  1. lease a car (pay a bigger deposit)
  2. or shall I prepare my self for a cash purchase? (example; they say to me - "you don't have 3 months pay slips, you cannot have a lease" ?
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Bearing in mind that I will have no credit history in Switzerland, do you think I will be given the option:
  1. lease a car (pay a bigger deposit)
  2. or shall I prepare my self for a cash purchase? (example; they say to me - "you don't have 3 months pay slips, you cannot have a lease" ?
From memory (going back 6 plus years) you need to have been here for 6 months before you can get a lease and a year for a loan.
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Re: Choosing a family car Mazda CX5, Nissan X Trial, Mercedes E Class, Audi A6

Check KIA Sedona.

https://www.google.ch/search?q=kia+s...h&q=kia+sedona

Although not available in Europe (you can import) it looks very nice. I might go for it in the next months.
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Check KIA Sedona.

https://www.google.ch/search?q=kia+s...h&q=kia+sedona

Although not available in Europe (you can import) it looks very nice. I might go for it in the next months.

Available as "Kia Carnival" here. Apparently.
Autoscout lists 59 cars. None of them the 2015 edition.
I would really, really think very hard if I wanted to own (much less import) such a car.
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Bearing in mind that I will have no credit history in Switzerland, do you think I will be given the option:
  1. lease a car (pay a bigger deposit)
  2. or shall I prepare my self for a cash purchase? (example; they say to me - "you don't have 3 months pay slips, you cannot have a lease" ?

I got one after a month, they did ask for a bigger deposit but getting a lease was no issue at all as I had an employment contract and B permit.
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I got one after a month, they did ask for a bigger deposit but getting a lease was no issue at all as I had an employment contract and B permit.
Thanks Jamiebae!
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Check KIA Sedona.

https://www.google.ch/search?q=kia+s...h&q=kia+sedona

Although not available in Europe (you can import) it looks very nice. I might go for it in the next months.
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Available as "Kia Carnival" here. Apparently.
Autoscout lists 59 cars. None of them the 2015 edition.
I would really, really think very hard if I wanted to own (much less import) such a car.
Thanks. Kia is not my cup of tea.
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