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Re: Speeding fine in a Luzern Tunnel

121 km/h in an 80 km/h is equivalent to 171 km/h, 196 km/h, or 158 km/h in a 130 km/h in terms of additional absolute speed (important for fines, if on the same class of roads), relative speed or energy (important for saved time by speeding), or additional energy respectively (important for breaking and in accidents).

The best time/money pay off is to speed 105 km/h in a 80 km/h autobahn zone (most relative speed gain). Unfortunatley, it comes with the highest risk to get caught.

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- Fine of 135 euros
- 4 points on your driving license (loss of license once you have 6)
- up to 3 years driving ban.
- possible confiscation of the vehicle.
http://www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr...ctions/vitesse
http://www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr...nts/mes-points
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[.....] to simply say that a law is law and needs to be followed would be somewhat misguided if one is unable to appreciate what justifies law in the first place.
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Large fines are there to discourage people from speeding excessively. You chose to ignore the numerous speed limit signs and continue driving well in excess of the speeds travelled by the surrounding vehicles. You put yourself and others in danger.

You are now being asked to pay for your recklessness.

I think people in this country never makes travels around Europe.

From Bad Herrenalb (Black Forest = Schwarzwald) to Basel there are 2 limits : 120 or no limit and city is always 50 and outside 100.


I drive in Switzerland for 5 years but i admit is stupid here. From Horgen Bahnhof until Oerlikon the limit changes 16 times (i was doing with a new person).

If i consider this safer nop. Zurich after 11 pm has no life so you can not rely on traffic to know the speed. You are alone in the street.

Doing tunnels at 80 only makes brakes sellers a better business. Do not believe it will increase safety.

And in Black Forest they have something much better for me: A real speed indicator and a smiley/sad face.

When i did Schwarzwald HochStrasse the face whenever was 30 or 40 the limit tells me a reaction.

A limit in a tunnel with no traffic is like a school radar on Sundays. Madness.....

We should fight madness. There is over limit and there too much speed.

Some drivers here are very bad at 10 km/h. Can not park in 5 seconds unless there is 3 meters more space than theirs cars. Prison to all of them
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I think people in this country never makes travels around Europe.

From Bad Herrenalb (Black Forest = Schwarzwald) to Basel there are 2 limits : 120 or no limit and city is always 50 and outside 100.


I drive in Switzerland for 5 years but i admit is stupid here. From Horgen Bahnhof until Oerlikon the limit changes 16 times (i was doing with a new person).

If i consider this safer nop. Zurich after 11 pm has no life so you can not rely on traffic to know the speed. You are alone in the street.

Doing tunnels at 80 only makes brakes sellers a better business. Do not believe it will increase safety.

And in Black Forest they have something much better for me: A real speed indicator and a smiley/sad face.

When i did Schwarzwald HochStrasse the face whenever was 30 or 40 the limit tells me a reaction.

A limit in a tunnel with no traffic is like a school radar on Sundays. Madness.....

We should fight madness. There is over limit and there too much speed.

Some drivers here are very bad at 10 km/h. Can not park in 5 seconds unless there is 3 meters more space than theirs cars. Prison to all of them

As only comment, ever seen how a car can look like that crashed in the tunnel because of too high speed?


And if you need smileys to understand if you are speeding or not.............
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As only comment, ever seen how a car can look like that crashed in the tunnel because of too high speed?


And if you need smileys to understand if you are speeding or not.............
I prefer a smile that catches attention that speeding cameras when they change limits 16 times in a 30 kms zone for no reason.

Excessive speed is different of over limit.

A car with 7 people like a SUV in rain is not speeding but it is stupid going at 120 and in Switzerland you see a lot of accidents to that.

For that i need facts: What is too high speed? and what conditions?


Overlimit is obvious because of limit 80 but excessive speed? In this case 121 is quite high.

But considering an autobanh limit is 120 and someone is criminal because goes 121 in a tunnel where there is no traffic is dangerous.

Unfortunately there is no statistics in provoking accidents but i would like to see those crashes on tunnels in high speed.
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Re: Speeding fine in a Luzern Tunnel

Just don´t come complaining here if you get caught speeding? You will have no sympathy from me.
As to your last comment: just do not risk any others please?
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Re: Speeding fine in a Luzern Tunnel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierre_coach_crash


It was Switzerland's second-worst road accident in history and the country's worst in a motorway tunnel.[2][3][4] The cause of the crash is under investigation. Initial reports suggest the driver was not driving under the influence and was not breaking the speed limit.
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Just don´t come complaining here if you get caught speeding? You will have no sympathy from me.
As to your last comment: just do not risk any others please?
Statistics for you:

http://www.bfu.ch/en/Documents/04_Fo...E_USV.T.21.pdf

As you can see no problems in motorways more skids, single vehicle collision.

Problem is turning and rear end collisions on urban roads. If you give defensive driving courses like me (i doubt it) you know that people are more focused in reading signs than looking for a stopped car, a car going out of a garage, or a kid after a ball.

Most of people does not even know what to do in those situations. So many people loose control of cars doing 80-0.

So next time you are so looking at speed signals remember, you are loosing sight to the street.

If you one day hit a children like number shown in the statistics, i hope only god forgives you
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Re: Speeding fine in a Luzern Tunnel

Putting things in perspective - the bus accident in 2012 incurred a death toll over 4 times greater than the total number killed on Swiss motorways in 2014.

One statistic jumps out from that lot more than any other - "single vehicle" are more likely to be severe and have a higher death rate as a result. And if you were to get further detail you'd find the 2 biggest causes would be alcohol and inappropriate speed. The death rate on rural roads supports this hypotheses.
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Putting things in perspective - the bus accident in 2012 incurred a death toll over 4 times greater than the total number killed on Swiss motorways in 2014.

One statistic jumps out from that lot more than any other - "single vehicle" are more likely to be severe and have a higher death rate as a result. And if you were to get further detail you'd find the 2 biggest causes would be alcohol and inappropriate speed. The death rate on rural roads supports this hypotheses.
I agree that speed kills of course. I am not happy is with single conclusion that if u overlimit you are criminal.

I know this is the case in Switzerland but i am sometimes surprised when i am a passenger and people distracted looking for speed limits instead of what i happening in front of them and number of rear end collision tells that.

So of course i prefer a system that alerts you that fines you because u missed a sign (sometimes they are above in the direction signs) because you were more focused on what is happenning on front of you.


And yes today you can have GPS with online connection. God bless that.

The pedrestrian casualties i imagine because many people walks on headphones on street and looking at smartphones. People under 18 should go to jail 1 night when crossing zebras with headphones on.

I live in front to a school and i see that scenario everyday.
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From Bad Herrenalb (Black Forest = Schwarzwald) to Basel there are 2 limits : 120 or no limit and city is always 50 and outside 100.


I drive in Switzerland for 5 years but i admit is stupid here. From Horgen Bahnhof until Oerlikon the limit changes 16 times (i was doing with a new person).
Here a better route for you. Drive along Seestrasse. The limit changes to up to 60 at the Horgen Hospital, and down to 50 at Zurich Belvoirpark. Then just drive where the Tram is, 50 all the way to Oerlikon.

HTH.
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Re: Speeding fine in a Luzern Tunnel

Speed doesn't kill inappropriate speed kills.

Problem is many see the limit as a target (regardless of conditions), to be fair Switzerland is much better than the UK at grading roads. Still there are many sections of autobahn here that would take 140 kmh safely. (Dependent on weather and traffic conditions)
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Still there are many sections of autobahn here that would take 140 kmh safely. (Dependent on weather and traffic conditions)
There are also stretches where you could do even more. Not even on the Autobahn. But it is still the law and if you break it and get caught you have to live with the consequences. If you are unable to stick to the limit, especially when you have already passed 3 or 5 signs you either do it intentionally or should not drive at all.

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