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It says I overtook on the German Autobahn where it was not allowed to do so towing a trailer. I know that is true as I was with a trailer and I had been overtaking very slow driving trucks uphill
Being Dutch, I can only be proud of you.
Ideally overtake an 80 km/h driving truck with 80.01 km/h and try to get an as big queue as possible behind you
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Being Dutch, I can only be proud of you.
Ideally overtake an 80 km/h driving truck with 80.01 km/h and try to get an as big queue as possible behind you
Thank you!

Overtaking too slow is also an offence, EUR 80 and 1 point on your license (in Germany). BTW I did not drive a caravan on Dutch plates on the left lane

(The NL sticker on the car means Nur Links)

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Old 03.06.2016, 00:36
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Re: German police questioning

I notice this in WRS news today....you can certainly get away with a lot as a driver in Switzerland. It's kind of hard to believe that the nanny is at fault....

Young girls seriously injured and nanny jailed in Veyrier crash
By Mark 02/06/2016
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A 7 year old girl is in a coma, another child is seriously injured, their nanny is in jail and a 66 year old driver faces serious charges.

All follows an accident in Veyrier on Tuesday afternoon. Police say it seems the driver was traveling too fast – 70 kph in a 30 zone – when he overtook a bus. The girls, accompanied by their 38 year old nanny, started to cross the road.

The car hit the girls, throwing them 10 meters down the road.

The seven year old was placed in an artificial coma and the other girl is being treated for head injuries.

The driver is being charged with causing bodily harm by negligence and has been arrested and released. The nanny is also being charged with not taking sufficient care.

Some have questioned why the driver has been released from jail but the nanny remains in custody. The police say as she is Spanish, she poses a flight risk. The driver is a local.
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Old 03.06.2016, 09:16
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Today I received a Zeugenfragebogen (questionnaire for witness) from the German police.

It says I overtook on the German Autobahn where it was not allowed to do so towing a trailer. I know that is true as I was with a trailer and I had been overtaking very slow driving trucks uphill. Anyway I would just have paid a fine but they send me a questionnaire saying that they could not determine the driver and maybe I know who it is.

I also have the right to be silent. It all seems a bit heavy for overtaking where it was not allowed.

Anyway I will tell them I did it. The fine will anyhow come to me
Just day you don't know who was driving.. there is no requirement to tell them.
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I notice this in WRS news today....you can certainly get away with a lot as a driver in Switzerland. It's kind of hard to believe that the nanny is at fault....

Young girls seriously injured and nanny jailed in Veyrier crash
By Mark 02/06/2016
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A 7 year old girl is in a coma, another child is seriously injured, their nanny is in jail and a 66 year old driver faces serious charges.

All follows an accident in Veyrier on Tuesday afternoon. Police say it seems the driver was traveling too fast – 70 kph in a 30 zone – when he overtook a bus. The girls, accompanied by their 38 year old nanny, started to cross the road.

The car hit the girls, throwing them 10 meters down the road.

The seven year old was placed in an artificial coma and the other girl is being treated for head injuries.

The driver is being charged with causing bodily harm by negligence and has been arrested and released. The nanny is also being charged with not taking sufficient care.

Some have questioned why the driver has been released from jail but the nanny remains in custody. The police say as she is Spanish, she poses a flight risk. The driver is a local.
What has this to do with the OP's post? Please take your keyboard warrior skillz elsewhere.

I agree there is a reason for the rules and they should be obeyed especially in Germany where the rules make sense, but no one is perfect and I guess they didn't intentionally mean to cause problems. Hence the small fine, paperwork costs from CH and a gentle spanking.
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Basic fines are anonymous in CH, it only gets recorded if it goes before a judge.
Things that are illegal in one may be legel in the other country. I think it's not the fine by Germany, but the deed that defines if a there's a record entry.
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Re: German police questioning

I send back their inquiry with the truth being me driving the car. Hope it is just a fine of 70 euros.

Keep you updated
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Old 06.06.2016, 15:13
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Re: German police questioning

I don't think the question has been asked yet - but are you plated for 100kmh in Germany??

See tcs link
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Re: German police questioning

Thank you for sharing the link.

Most people just put the sticker on the trailer but it needs to come off again in CH. So, no not yet plated for 100 km and I hope they did not get my speed at the time of the overtaking as it was surely over 80km. I will check with TCS though. Would this also work in France?

In the letter I received the violation of the interdiction of overtaking was mentioned. Not any speeding.
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Old 06.06.2016, 15:35
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In the letter I received the violation of the interdiction of overtaking was mentioned. Not any speeding.
In general no truck/trailer overtaking exists on Germany autobahns - between certain hours - and on 2 lane section. 3 or 4 lane sections it is allowed on inside lanes 2 to N-1 where N = number of lanes.

If you were in the outside lane, hammering up the hill at 130kmh with the trailer on the back (which absolutely no one would ever do - especially in convoy with 3 others doing the exact same thing ) then I can imagine them taking a good aim with a heavy book.

My old Sprinter was a bizarre tow vehicle - if lack outright punch on A-road hills - often leading to long climbs red-lining it in 2nd or 3rd - and yet would happily haul 2000kg along at 130kmh - thanks no doubt to the twin rear wheel set up

Meanwhile the Volvo I had 8 years ago could outdrag grannies in Nissan Micras hauling 2000kg behind it. Pulling out of a junction one time the trailer wagged out quite a way and I just had to keep my foot in pulling it straight

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In general no truck/trailer overtaking exists on Germany autobahns - between certain hours - and on 2 lane section. 3 or 4 lane sections it is allowed on inside lanes 2 to N-1 where N = number of lanes.

If you were in the outside lane, hammering up the hill at 130kmh with the trailer on the back (which absolutely no one would ever do - especially in convoy with 3 others doing the exact same thing ) then I can imagine them taking a good aim with a heavy book.
The Germans probably will have another look at the photos as I was towing my racing car..

(BTW it was between the certain hours you are not supposed to overtake, I did see the sign)
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The Germans probably will have another look at the photos as I was towing my racing car..

(BTW it was between the certain hours you are not supposed to overtake, I did see the sign)
Which section of autobahn?

I've got a mechanic confirming a price for towbar installation on the supersaloon. I think 530ps and 730nm should adequately tow 2000kg
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Re: German police questioning

I think A5 between Mannheim and Karlsruhe. 50% of that section is no overtaking between certain hours.
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Which section of autobahn?

I've got a mechanic confirming a price for towbar installation on the supersaloon. I think 530ps and 730nm should adequately tow 2000kg
730nM on a car that can sport a tower... let me think...

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I think A5 between Mannheim and Karlsruhe. 50% of that section is no overtaking between certain hours.
Just chatted to my "lives just north of Mannheim" colleague - and he has confirmed that around Hockenheim area that there are overtaking limits even though it is 3 lanes. (One area he knows for sure).
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Basic fines are anonymous in CH, it only gets recorded if it goes before a judge.
Does that mean if, let's say, a friend parked the car in front of the hospital, paid for 2 hours, but got out 2h12 min later, and got a parking ticket at 2h05, it would not get permanently registered?

Because the friend was really proud of a clean record and got really angry* at the situation...

*Angry is a big euphemism...
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Just chatted to my "lives just north of Mannheim" colleague - and he has confirmed that around Hockenheim area that there are overtaking limits even though it is 3 lanes. (One area he knows for sure).
was trying to avoid the word 'Hockenheim'... it goes from two to three and back to two and repeat
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was trying to avoid the word 'Hockenheim'...
Let me guess - you felt like calling the police officers the BMW dealer in Speyer.
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Re: German police questioning

It was of course just a coincidence that it was close to Hockenheim.
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It all seems a bit heavy for overtaking where it was not allowed.

Anyway I will tell them I did it. The fine will anyhow come to me


Honestly:
- the fine will be bearable, especially compared to anything in Switzerland, so I'd just admit it and pay.


- if it was a more serious incident could you simply say "we were on a roadtrip with four people and cannot possibly remember who was driving which bit". In this case can you indeed get off the hook of some serious cases, but the cops would insist that from this point on you have to keep an updated "Fahrtenbuch", a book with details on every trip...driver, kms, time,... and you'd get fined for not having it. A friend of mine did this to prevent losing his license which he needs for his job...
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