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You would be hard put to find a veteran vehicle here that actually runs, let alone would pass the MFK for 1600$ You will almost certainly get a raised eyebrow when you try to tell the Tax people that that is the value. A bill of sale would help you there.


1) Biodiesel is readily available.
2) Car Insurance will vary, is this your only vehicle?
3) Diesels are all over the place.
Hmmm... ok. That is very, very helpful to know on this end of things.

That also seems to validate my reasoning for importing the car. At least, enough to make the tricky path ahead worthwhile. With repairs the car is now worth somewhere between 3000-4000 in the American enthusiast market in the North East because it has no rust.

The car will be my only vehicle. I have a lovely Euro spec wagon with rust on it. That one does not leak, but it would be infinitely more expensive to restore it there. And then I'd have a Euro spec wagon in Europe.

So the US spec sedan would be my only car there and given public transport it wouldn't really be a daily driver either. It would be a Sunday driver.
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Old 26.06.2016, 22:06
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Hmmm... ok. That is very, very helpful to know on this end of things.

That also seems to validate my reasoning for importing the car. At least, enough to make the tricky path ahead worthwhile. With repairs the car is now worth somewhere between 3000-4000 in the American enthusiast market in the North East because it has no rust.

The car will be my only vehicle. I have a lovely Euro spec wagon with rust on it. That one does not leak, but it would be infinitely more expensive to restore it there. And then I'd have a Euro spec wagon in Europe.

So the US spec sedan would be my only car there and given public transport it wouldn't really be a daily driver either. It would be a Sunday driver.
If you want to register it as a Veteran you are limited to 2000-3000 km/year (and they do check). Not sure about the insurance as an only vehicle, everyone I know has another daily driver.
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Yes, I found the same web pages through the Google. They don't answer the question "how long after moving to Switzerland may one import one's own car?".
the rule is 1 year
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Source? Because according to anecdotal evidence in this thread, that may not be correct either.
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why not leave the car in US and buy a nice W123 gasoline here?
these old diesels are so polluting that they are becoming socially unacceptable.
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My reading of the instructions on the household goods import form is that they want you to import as soon as possible, but accept imports up to 2 years after your relocation. Also, you are expected to list all your goods when you bring in your first consignment.
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why not leave the car in US and buy a nice W123 gasoline here?
these old diesels are so polluting that they are becoming socially unacceptable.
I know that a lot of people think that, but actually all diesels are able to run on much, much cleaner fuel than gasoline or standard diesel: biodiesel.

Biodiesel is any kind of liquid fat, like vegetable oil, that's been put through a centrifuge to remove any water in it and treated with an alcohol so when it gets cold out, it doesn't gel (think of how coconut oil is a solid in winter and liquid in summer—you don't want that paste in your engine). Biodiesel is a 100% ecologically friendly fuel, it's a biofuel, and it sells the most in Germany which is one reason diesels remain popular there. You don't have to compromise environmental principles when you drive a diesel. Plus diesel engines are built tougher than gasoline engines and they're more efficient.

Newer diesels can run on biodiesel immediately. Older ones like mine need rubber components and gaskets replaced in the fuel system since the biodiesel can damage 80s rubber over time and if bits go through the fuel system, it can damage the engine. I've always looked forward to converting this car once I had things related to safety sorted out.
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If you want to register it as a Veteran you are limited to 2000-3000 km/year (and they do check). Not sure about the insurance as an only vehicle, everyone I know has another daily driver.
Hmm, ok. I think I could stay within those margins. And the Odo is broken.

Did the maths, that'd only be 2-3 fillups a year. Bizarre.

I'm beginning to feel excited about the possibility of having the car over there. It seems like a beautiful place for nice drives. If I can find a source for B100, then I'd be set.
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Newer diesels can run on biodiesel immediately.
My 2013 Audi TDI explicitly states "Not for biodiesel" on the fuel cover flap (although... see below).
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If I can find a source for B100, then I'd be set.
B100?!? Audi permits biodiesel up to a whopping B5 in all TDIs in the USA; but for 2009 and later year model TDIs, up to B20 in Illinois and Minnesota.

Mercedes-Benz USA approves only B5, and that's only in newer CDI engines.

Automakers' and engine manufacturers' positions of support for biodiesel blends
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I know that a lot of people think that, but actually all diesels are able to run on much, much cleaner fuel than gasoline or standard diesel: biodiesel.

Biodiesel is any kind of liquid fat, like vegetable oil, that's been put through a centrifuge to remove any water in it and treated with an alcohol so when it gets cold out, it doesn't gel (think of how coconut oil is a solid in winter and liquid in summer—you don't want that paste in your engine). Biodiesel is a 100% ecologically friendly fuel, it's a biofuel, and it sells the most in Germany which is one reason diesels remain popular there. You don't have to compromise environmental principles when you drive a diesel. Plus diesel engines are built tougher than gasoline engines and they're more efficient.

Newer diesels can run on biodiesel immediately. Older ones like mine need rubber components and gaskets replaced in the fuel system since the biodiesel can damage 80s rubber over time and if bits go through the fuel system, it can damage the engine. I've always looked forward to converting this car once I had things related to safety sorted out.


Something someting, NOx, something else, something different, particles, something something, no fuel is clean.

Don't try to justify a 30yo diesel. It sucks in every objective and measurable way.

You like it, fine, I get it 'cause I'm weird too. It's 100% emotional it's never going to be practical, so start re-calibrating your thinking.


Having said that, if you expect that you're going to be doing work on your driveway and drive around a 30yo rustbucket rolling coal, you're in for a surprise. Depending on the neighbourhood, the reactions from people seeing you work will vary from "wow that's an idiot right there" to someone actually calling the cops on you because [reasons].

It's weird to do things on your own, so if you wanna do it, do it in privacy or else you're at the mercy of nosy people's level of assholeness (new word- hurray!)


Also if you like old Eurocrap, you should remember you're coming to the source. The European market is quite big, you'll find something here for sure.



This is coming from a guy that's changed pads on the street in the rain, oil in a dead-end (shhh that was years ago, so probably the statute of limitation is passed?) and other weird things you shouldn't well within the confines of the fine city of Zurich.
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I know that a lot of people think that, but actually all diesels are able to run on much, much cleaner fuel than gasoline or standard diesel: biodiesel.

Biodiesel is any kind of liquid fat, like vegetable oil, that's been put through a centrifuge to remove any water in it and treated with an alcohol so when it gets cold out, it doesn't gel (think of how coconut oil is a solid in winter and liquid in summer—you don't want that paste in your engine). Biodiesel is a 100% ecologically friendly fuel, it's a biofuel, and it sells the most in Germany which is one reason diesels remain popular there. You don't have to compromise environmental principles when you drive a diesel. Plus diesel engines are built tougher than gasoline engines and they're more efficient.

Newer diesels can run on biodiesel immediately. Older ones like mine need rubber components and gaskets replaced in the fuel system since the biodiesel can damage 80s rubber over time and if bits go through the fuel system, it can damage the engine. I've always looked forward to converting this car once I had things related to safety sorted out.
wow, you really don't have a clue.
according to this list, there are barely cars that run on biodiesel
http://www.iwr.de/biodiesel/auto.html
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Hmm, ok. I think I could stay within those margins. And the Odo is broken.

Did the maths, that'd only be 2-3 fillups a year. Bizarre.

I'm beginning to feel excited about the possibility of having the car over there. It seems like a beautiful place for nice drives. If I can find a source for B100, then I'd be set.


You may get by with a broken odo, but the speedo must be accurate, and marked in km/h.


Switzerland is indeed full of nice drives: the Stelvio would be one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stelvio_Pass


You might find that the vast majority of the nice drives here are better suited to something a little bit more, um, ahh, how shall I say this... "nimble".


As to the question of Diesels being "clean", or "cleaner", let's just not get into that. Your car will have to pass the emissions tests that were applicable to it when it was new.
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totally agree

As said I owned this exact same car and sold it for not a lot of money. They are quite common here, rusty, heavy and are very polluting. Not at all worth the effort in my view. Many many cabdrivers had one. This is a normal 240D with the 3L engine. Forget about it.

Maybe if it is a coupé as these are a little more rare but even those... I don't think so being it a diesel.
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Umm, the Stelvio is in Italy, not Switzerland.

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Umm, the Stelvio is in Italy, not Switzerland.

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Umm, the Stelvio is in Italy, not Switzerland.

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I Imported a car (Modified 1970 Porsche 911) when I relocated from Poland to Switzerland. This is what I was told:
1) You must declare all your goods when you move to Switzerland even if you don't import them at that time.
2) You can only import a car that was homoligated in Switzerland at that time. As my car is modified but within the tolerances of what was available from Porsche in 1970, Porsche had to certify it. The Verkersamt will be able to confirm this, but with approval from Porsche (which obviously I had to pay for) canton Schwyz approved the import of my car. They said if Porsche were not happy with it then they would refuse registration. If your car was not homoligated then you can pay to have your car type approved, which will probably be more than the value of the car.
Importing a car from the EU is apparently easier though.
3) I have been told that some cantons are stricter than others with respect to originality of classic cars. Zurich is apparently very difficult.

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Unless the car is absolutely mint condition, importing it will be the biggest mistake you ever make. You're importing a car that won't be worth much even when restored, and the Swiss won't let you put a 'beater' on the road -- it will have to be ship-shape before you're allowed to drive it. Swiss labor is not cheap, so you'll end up spending many times the car's value to get it on-the-road. Doing it yourself isn't really an option -- working on your car is prohibited in most apartment parking lots.

Do yourself a favor -- come over here and buy the best example on market you can find. It will be loads cheaper, and far fewer headaches, than importing yours.

http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/merce...p%3d10%26r%3d5

(Incidentally, the asking price of the car should give you some indication about how much it costs to put one right....)
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Unless the car is absolutely mint condition, importing it will be the biggest mistake you ever make. You're importing a car that won't be worth much even when restored, and the Swiss won't let you put a 'beater' on the road -- it will have to be ship-shape before you're allowed to drive it. Swiss labor is not cheap, so you'll end up spending many times the car's value to get it on-the-road. Doing it yourself isn't really an option -- working on your car is prohibited in most apartment parking lots.

Do yourself a favor -- come over here and buy the best example on market you can find. It will be loads cheaper, and far fewer headaches, than importing yours.

http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/merce...p%3d10%26r%3d5

(Incidentally, the asking price of the car should give you some indication about how much it costs to put one right....)

An astute observation, for an Idiot.


I took the OP at their word, namely that they are an irrational idiot.


I personally would not import the car, my own idiocy is of an entirely different nature.


The OP must make their own decision.


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