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Parking letter from private company

Hi,

I parked my car in a company private space ( yellow box)on May 31st after work hours.

After a couple of weeks I got a letter stating it was private, they were annoyed said if it happened again they would get it towed. FAIR ENOUGH.

BUT....they included a bank transfer slip for 40 chf in the letter.

firstly i was amazed they got my address to send the letter.
Can a private person / company issue bills like this ?

I didn't pay it. But now last week they sent a photocopy of the original letter and a bank transfer again. This time the letter was registered, so I had to pick it up at the PO.

My question is , is it legal that they demand this money from me as i don't want this to escalate and be brought to court.

Did anybody have the same experience?

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Re: Parking letter from private company

Off course it is legal and getting your address dead easy
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Re: Parking letter from private company

Yes, you are very, very likely to be legally liable to pay that fine.
On public streets, it is only the police who may fine you.
Owners (or tenants) of private ground can, themselves, monitor the parking space or hire a private person or company to do this.

They can put up a sign up at the space or near the entrance of the grounds, to say that this is private space and parking on it will incur charges. However, in your case, since the lines on the ground were painted in yellow, that suffices as a clear signal that you are not allowed to park there.

I can understand that you might have thought that, since it was late, no-one from that company would be likely to need that space. However, those private spaces may be available not only to the day-staff, but also to the cleaners who work at night, or there may be a deal with emergency services that those spaces will be available, or the staff may be allowed to use those spaces in their free-time, too. Therefore, you cannot really be sure that the parking space is unused outside of working hours.

In any case, yellow lines mean "no private parking here". Leave this unpaid, and the company will send you a final reminder, and/or turn your file over to a debt-collection office, whereupon your name will go onto the black list of bad debtors (the Betreibungsregister). To understand the many ramifications of that, you might like to read this forum on "Betreibungen".

Good that you don't want the matter to escalate. The quickest and most painless way to put this matter to rest is to pay the Fr. 40 asap, so you don't incur further charges for reminder bills, etc.. Put it down to a rather annoying experience, learn from it, and the matter will be over, life-long.
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as i don't want this to escalate and be brought to court.
then don't park in private spaces
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Re: Parking letter from private company

How do they find your address?
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How do they find your address?
Simple, look up the number plate of the car and you will find the address of the owner

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How do they find your address?
From your number plate and a simply ask from traffic people, dead easy
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Re: Parking letter from private company

You can check it even online (at least for kt. Zurich) - it's open for everybody, unless you block the 'listing'
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Simple, look up the number plate of the car and you will find the address of the owner
The fact this even needs explaining to people is somewhat frightening.
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The fact this even needs explaining to people is somewhat frightening.
I guess that depends on the country or culture from which one comes, and one's knowledge of IT and/or belief in data protection and privacy.

I remember a visitor from England, years ago, being amazed that the official phone system in Switzerland allowed me to find out someone's address and telephone number by knowing only their name. And more recently, another guest from and an Asian country finding it hard to believe that the Swiss laws were available for all to read, online, for free.
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The fact this even needs explaining to people is somewhat frightening.
Why?
It's quite easy to do in Switzerland but much more difficult in most other places so it's not unreasonable for people to be unaware of the possibility.
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Re: Parking letter from private company

In the days before internet, you could buy a book similar to a phone book with all plates and adresses here.

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Why?
It's quite easy to do in Switzerland but much more difficult in most other places so it's not unreasonable for people to be unaware of the possibility.
Because a parking fine company is obviously going to have some form of access (direct or indirect) to the vehicle registration database?
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Because a parking fine company is obviously going to have some form of access (direct or indirect) to the vehicle registration database?
Yes, that is the case for parking fine companies in Switzerland - though it may not be so in other countries.

In beef-or-salmon's case, if I understand it correctly, the payment slip did not come from a parking fine company at all, but from the business itself, in whose parking space he or she had parked. So I suppose beef-or-salmon's surprise is that one private legal person could have access to the personal data of another private legal person, and evidently fairly easily since the letter arrived within weeks of the transgression.
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Yes, that is the case for parking fine companies in Switzerland - though it may not be so in other countries.

In beef-or-salmon's case, if I understand it correctly, the payment slip did not come from a parking fine company at all, but from the business itself, in whose parking space he or she had parked. So I suppose beef-or-salmon's surprise is that one private legal person could have access to the personal data of another private legal person, and evidently fairly easily since the letter arrived within weeks of the transgression.
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Because a parking fine company is obviously going to have some form of access (direct or indirect) to the vehicle registration database?
But it wasn't from a parking fine company, it was from the company who 'owned' the space he was parked in.
Not the same thing at all.
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Re: Parking letter from private company

If it goes to court or Betreibungsamt they company will need to provide some hard proofs - this can be very hard. They better have video surveilance or multiple eyewitnesses if they think they have a chance.

I'd propose the following:
1) Email them that you don't remember where you parked your car that night, but probably it wasn't their private spot, and demand proofs that it was you.
2) Demand a legal basis for the charges. They have no right to charge arbitrary amounts out of the blue. Was 40 Fr the amount their employee spent to park elsewhere - maybe ask for a receipt?
3) Also you could ask for a proof that it's their spot - copy of a rental contract or excerpt from the land registry. How else would you know they are who they claim they are, anybody can look up your address from the plate and send you a mail.
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But it wasn't from a parking fine company, it was from the company who 'owned' the space he was parked in.
Not the same thing at all.
Everyone has access. The ticket is often written by the Hausmeister. Iirc there is some legal point about the sign needing to state details of the "richterliches Parkverbot" (which they must apply for), the point being that a private owner can't just start demanding fees for people parked on their private property.

Can't find anything in Englisch.

https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/portal/...mt/verbot.html

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http://www.auto-recht.ch/autoparking...hes-parkverbot
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If it goes to court or Betreibungsamt they company will need to provide some hard proofs - this can be very hard. They better have video surveilance or multiple eyewitnesses if they think they have a chance.

I'd propose the following:
1) Email them that you don't remember where you parked your car that night, but probably it wasn't their private spot, and demand proofs that it was you.
2) Demand a legal basis for the charges. They have no right to charge arbitrary amounts out of the blue. Was 40 Fr the amount their employee spent to park elsewhere - maybe ask for a receipt?
3) Also you could ask for a proof that it's their spot - copy of a rental contract or excerpt from the land registry. How else would you know they are who they claim they are, anybody can look up your address from the plate and send you a mail.

40 Chuffs, pay the bill.
If the spot was marked as indicated above, I wouldn't bother.
They will almost certainly have a photo, and they can escalate to 2000CHF.
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Re: Parking letter from private company

Well, I don't see some of the comments here but let me tell you a fact: I don't have a car, never had, never interested in etc. (I'm seeing some posts through quotations though)...
Thanks for those informative replies
Ah ... as always...Manners maketh man.
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