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Today's but I should have known better story

http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/faits_divers/story/17111523
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Deux véhicules ont été de suite séquestrés.
Two vehicles were sequestered immediately.
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Five large sports cars have crossed the border to 17h Tuesday and alerted the border guards of the Grand-St-Bernard who immediately alerted the cantonal police. This has quickly established a radar at a place called "The Trappists," said a statement from the Valais cantonal police.

These five vehicles, two cars driven by British were flashed at very high speeds, with 154 and 158 km / h instead of the speed limit (80 km / h). A third vehicle has meanwhile been tested at 141 km / h.

According to the instructions of the public prosecutor, British citizen drivers, had to fulfill fines guarantees for a total amount of 9300 francs.

Two vehicles were sequestered on.


Probably your better than average drivers again.
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I was hoping for a little more insight than bashing, but thanks nonetheless. I take speeding into account every time I drive, and try to ensure I don't speed by using cruise control as much as possible. However if you drive as much as me, by probability mistakes will be more common than the average driver. Furthermore variable speed limits going up and down regularly (and sometimes without much obvious sense behind them) make the chances of a mistake even greater. No excuses, I accept the reasons, but the punishment feels excessive versus the crime.


I think you just have to get used to being bashed at, irrelevant if your question is good or not. Seems to be the mentality here. Works for me, I just don't care, if the advice is crap or comment is stupid, don't get bothered.



On that note, 3 fines in 3 years doing 1000km per week... That's amazing, I have more fines and done far less driving, I can tell you that! But yeah, if someone feels like recommending you driving school for three fines after more than 150.000km driving.......
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Old 07.09.2016, 16:24
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On that note, 3 fines in 3 years doing 1000km per week... That's amazing, I have more fines and done far less driving, I can tell you that! But yeah, if someone feels like recommending you driving school for three fines after more than 150.000km driving.......
Three fines that he told us about because those are the serious ones that have consequences. He could have hundreds of the non recorded minor fines for all we know.
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Is that your insurance company..?
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Re: HELP! Needed contesting driving ban

So coming back to the OPs original post, seems contesting is not recommended, and hiring a driver, taking someone from the office, enlisting the wife are the proposed solutions?
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Five large sports cars have crossed the border to 17h Tuesday and alerted the border guards of the Grand-St-Bernard who immediately alerted the cantonal police. This has quickly established a radar at a place called "The Trappists," said a statement from the Valais cantonal police.

These five vehicles, two cars driven by British were flashed at very high speeds, with 154 and 158 km / h instead of the speed limit (80 km / h). A third vehicle has meanwhile been tested at 141 km / h.

According to the instructions of the public prosecutor, British citizen drivers, had to fulfill fines guarantees for a total amount of 9300 francs.

Two vehicles were sequestered on.


Probably your better than average drivers again.
or driving to conditions..
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Five large sports cars have crossed the border to 17h Tuesday and alerted the border guards of the Grand-St-Bernard who immediately alerted the cantonal police. This has quickly established a radar at a place called "The Trappists," said a statement from the Valais cantonal police.

These five vehicles, two cars driven by British were flashed at very high speeds, with 154 and 158 km / h instead of the speed limit (80 km / h). A third vehicle has meanwhile been tested at 141 km / h.

According to the instructions of the public prosecutor, British citizen drivers, had to fulfill fines guarantees for a total amount of 9300 francs.

Two vehicles were sequestered on.


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this proves that all British drivers are maniacs
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Old 07.09.2016, 18:09
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Five large sports cars have crossed the border to 17h Tuesday and alerted the border guards of the Grand-St-Bernard who immediately alerted the cantonal police. This has quickly established a radar at a place called "The Trappists," said a statement from the Valais cantonal police.

These five vehicles, two cars driven by British were flashed at very high speeds, with 154 and 158 km / h instead of the speed limit (80 km / h). A third vehicle has meanwhile been tested at 141 km / h.

According to the instructions of the public prosecutor, British citizen drivers, had to fulfill fines guarantees for a total amount of 9300 francs.

Two vehicles were sequestered on.


Probably your better than average drivers again.
Why, because they have a lot of money and can afford big cars ?

There is some 18yr old Pakistani kid in London with "L" plates (Learner driver) on a Lamborghini, does this make him better than average too ?
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Why, because they have a lot of money and can afford big cars ?

There is some 18yr old Pakistani kid in London with "L" plates (Learner driver) on a Lamborghini, does this make him better than average too ?
Bit tetchy aren't you?

Better than average because they obviously have a superiority complex thinking they can blatantly break the law and their disregard for the safety of other road users.
Just because their cars are probably capable of doing that speed on that bit of road is irrelevant, as I'm sure the police advised them when the tow truck arrived.

You don't need to be rich to drive like a tw4t, but it probably helps.
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Old 07.09.2016, 18:31
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You don't need to be rich to afford to drive like a tw4t, but it probably helps.
Fixed that for Switzerland for you
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19/06/2014 - Around 6 weeks after I started driving in Switzerland, unused to the hidden cameras, I got flashed doing 71 km/h in a 50 km/h zone (dual carriageway near Hardbrucke, non-pedestrian), received a fine and 1 month driving ban. I paid the fine and did the time.

18/05/2015 - 77 km/h in a 60 km/h zone (slip-road onto a motorway...) - fine only but also received a warning.

15/06/2016 - 101 km/h in a 80 km/h zone (country road, open fields etc) - this time I have been given a large fine and a 2 month driving ban.
According to the book, the second case should not have been a warning but a ban of at least one month. In this respect you already got your discount in the past.

To your question. Since Jan 2005 any ambiguity and leeway has been removed from the law. A minimum one month driving ban is a must. Looking at your rap sheet two months is a normal consequence of your past behavior.

The FAQ of Fribourg license authority mentions that according to a Swiss federal court ruling (unfortunately they do not mention which one) a split of the ban is not allowed.
http://www.ocn.ch/ocn/de/pub/dienstl...massnahmen.htm

Be aware, if you get through with your request and they lower the ban to one month do not get caught again. If they catch you speeding again they will hit you again as you were not worth your own word.
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Old 08.09.2016, 09:09
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Re: HELP! Needed contesting driving ban

Just had a thought (that will be deeply frowned upon here), would it not be possible to have your partner take the rap à la Chris Huhne? Probably too late this time, but something to consider for the future.

Only issue is some cameras photograph the driver, so you could get caught, and they'd surely throw the book at you for that. Normally when you get fined here though they give you the opportunity to say who was driving. I guess in theory you could write a letter saying you can't remember who was driving and ask if they can provide a photo. If they can't then you're in business.
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Just had a thought (that will be deeply frowned upon here), would it not be possible to have your partner take the rap à la Chris Huhne? Probably too late this time, but something to consider for the future.

Only issue is some cameras photograph the driver, so you could get caught, and they'd surely throw the book at you for that. Normally when you get fined here though they give you the opportunity to say who was driving. I guess in theory you could write a letter saying you can't remember who was driving and ask if they can provide a photo. If they can't then you're in business.
As far as I can tell from the OP, the penalty has already been assigned, which means that the period where he might have claimed a case of mistaken identity is long past.

Not having had a ban or a serious offence I can't say for certain, but the normal procedure for minor tickets is that the first letter gives you the chance to indicate that you weren't driving and a timeframe in which to do this.
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Re: HELP! Needed contesting driving ban

This post has really annoyed me.
I also have to drive about 1000 KM per week (I'm in outside sales) and I am very respectful of the speeding limits - they are there for a reason!

I hate it when I'm driving 50 in a 50 zone and some driver is right up my backside - flashing his lights.

OP I have no sympathy for you.
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This post has really annoyed me.
I also have to drive about 1000 KM per week (I'm in outside sales) and I am very respectful of the speeding limits - they are there for a reason!

I hate it when I'm driving 50 in a 50 zone and some driver is right up my backside - flashing his lights.

OP I have no sympathy for you.
You are probably one of those over zealous drivers causing incidents for breaking unnecessarily
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You are probably one of those over zealous drivers causing incidents for breaking unnecessarily
As I keep a 2-3s distance I can brake gently in most cases. But the "one car length" distance drivers feel the urge to cut in or tailgate. Fortunately haven't yet rear ended my car (because I'm keeping the bloody distance).
Two days ago I've seen three cars in the city one after another, in a place there is usually slow traffic to the next lights. How they managed to hit each other is a lesson of human nature.
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Two days ago I've seen three cars in the city one after another, in a place there is usually slow traffic to the next lights. How they managed to hit each other is a lesson of human nature.
Some idiot rear-ended me exactly like that last week. Classic bumper-to-bumper traffic, clearly he was not paying attention. I would bet he was checking his phone/texting too.

Luckily, I did not bump into the person in front of me because I kept the distance. Although nobody got hurt and all the damage to my car was 100% covered by his insurance, it was still a major PITA - scary, I missed my meeting, I drove 7 hours for nothing, I had to deal with insurance, mechanic, cops, etc.
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Two days ago I've seen three cars in the city one after another, in a place there is usually slow traffic to the next lights. How they managed to hit each other is a lesson of human nature.
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