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2 cars or 1 + public transport?

We are moving to the Vevey area in January. I've been looking at the property websites and google maps to see how my journey to work (Nestle bergere) will be. My husband will be at home with our 5 year old and 2 year old so it would make sense for them to have use of a car.

I want to keep my commute to under 30 mins and it seems like there are many areas which take 40-60 minutes to commute by public transport but driving the same journey would be 20-30. It appears that having a second car would open up locations within my 30min criteria that public transport can't.

Having a second car would be useful for if/when we have visitors too.

But is it really worth it? Would you pay for the second car or stick to public transport?

I'm guessing CHF 2k per year per car for tax and insurance then obvs petrol and parking (and fines I hear!) would be on top.

How much is a reasonable budget for public transport for a 30min radius from nestle in vevey?
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Re: 2 cars or 1 + public transport?

If you workplace offers free parking, a second car may be a better option esp for the husband and kids. Or, maybe YOU could take public transport and leave the one car at home.
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Re: 2 cars or 1 + public transport?

+1 about checking parking status at work.. If not you could be 30chf + per day parking in a public car park.. Or renting a box near the office for 200chf per month.
Plus i'd be careful believing travel times (driving) until you've tried it.. Ok the roads around Vevey are hardly the M25 but can get pretty busy.

Would you rather sit on bus/train reading the newspaper and drinking coffee for 30 mins.. Or rather be in the car, that's up to you.

We have 2 cars, however I still travel 50mins public transport to the office because I prefer that to driving through Geneva and finding parking etc. Our reason for the second car was :
A) Didn't want the kids to wreck the main car
B) Keep KMs down on main car
C) Second car generally droes 5km trips start stop
D) We got the second car for a bargain because it was hail damaged.
E) It's good for when visitors come

Edit : Check you can have two parking spaces at home too.
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Re: 2 cars or 1 + public transport?

Yes the plan so far has been for me to use public transport to get to work and leave the car with my husband and the children.

It's just whether we get a second car for me to commute.

I will try to find out about the parking.

I'm more than happy to use public transport, but it feels like having a car will open up a whole load more options for places to live.
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Yes the plan so far has been for me to use public transport to get to work and leave the car with my husband and the children.

It's just whether we get a second car for me to commute.

I will try to find out about the parking.

I'm more than happy to use public transport, but it feels like having a car will open up a whole load more options for places to live.
I would say try that for a year. If the walking stretches/changes/schedule of public transport give you a chance to think about the coming day on the way in, and clear your head a bit on the way home, as well as a 10 minute walk then there is a lot to be said for that.

If the walk is at the home end and you're having a crap day, or the weather is abominable you can call ahead and they can pick you up at the station, combining the outing with some shopping, or whatever.

If you go a year without getting really annoyed, then you don't need a 2nd car. If you do need a car, and can afford it, it is easily arranged. Don't forget to add in the cost of parking the 2nd vehicle to insurance, registration, maintenance, mfk etc.
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Re: 2 cars or 1 + public transport?

Well I have a 1.5hr commute here in the UK, so it's not so much about driving vs commuting, it's more about the fact that it seems like having a car opens up a wider search area for finding somewhere to live..
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Well I have a 1.5hr commute here in the UK, so it's not so much about driving vs commuting, it's more about the fact that it seems like having a car opens up a wider search area for finding somewhere to live..
1 Car would be sufficient for the initial search for more permanent accommodation wouldn't it? If you had 2 cars then the family could see twice as many prospects, evaluating each with half of the perspective, which doesn't work out all that advantageously.
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1 Car would be sufficient for the initial search for more permanent accommodation wouldn't it? If you had 2 cars then the family could see twice as many prospects, evaluating each with half of the perspective, which doesn't work out all that advantageously.
I don't think she was planning to use two cars for the actual apartment search.
I think the search area will be determined depending on whether they decide to have one or two cars.
If they are planning to have two cars they can look for property in a much wider area as proximity to public transport and ease of commute is not such a major factor.
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I don't think she was planning to use two cars for the actual apartment search.
I think the search area will be determined depending on whether they decide to have one or two cars.
If they are planning to have two cars they can look for property in a much wider area as proximity to public transport and ease of commute is not such a major factor.
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Re: 2 cars or 1 + public transport?

Regarding the cost of ownership of a car (oh, boy, I'm opening up a can of worms here with all the gurus and wannabe gurus on this forum), you should be rather realistic - a couple of weeks ago, I read that the average COO of a car in CH is 9000 francs a year - I don't remember where I read this, but if that is really the case, it's a lot more than the 2K that you mentioned in the OP.

Also, don't underestimate the traffic jams here - I live 18 minutes by car from my office, but during rush hour that trip takes me well over 50 minutes - at most it has taken me 80 minutes once! By public transport, it takes me 25 minutes and it never fails.

I would recommend you to start with one car and try out the public transport - it might be more than enough for your needs.
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I read that the average COO of a car in CH is 9000 francs a year
We spend half that for four cars (total, not each), but please continue.

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We spend half that for four cars (total, not each), but please continue.

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Regarding the cost of ownership of a car (oh, boy, I'm opening up a can of worms here with all the gurus and wannabe gurus on this forum), you should be rather realistic - a couple of weeks ago, I read that the average COO of a car in CH is 9000 francs a year - I don't remember where I read this, but if that is really the case, it's a lot more than the 2K that you mentioned in the OP.
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Luckily I could foresee that you would answer in your typical style, but also pay attention that my message said average - I guess it depends on the car(s)
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We spend half that for four cars (total, not each), but please continue.

Tom
... and actually, quite a few market studies seem to not be too far off my post.

TCS - 10'613 CHF/year

Comparis - 11'027 CHf/year

K-Tipp - 9'650 CHF/year
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I don't think she was planning to use two cars for the actual apartment search.
I think the search area will be determined depending on whether they decide to have one or two cars.
If they are planning to have two cars they can look for property in a much wider area as proximity to public transport and ease of commute is not such a major factor.
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Regarding the cost of ownership of a car (oh, boy, I'm opening up a can of worms here with all the gurus and wannabe gurus on this forum), you should be rather realistic - a couple of weeks ago, I read that the average COO of a car in CH is 9000 francs a year - I don't remember where I read this, but if that is really the case, it's a lot more than the 2K that you mentioned in the OP.

Also, don't underestimate the traffic jams here - I live 18 minutes by car from my office, but during rush hour that trip takes me well over 50 minutes - at most it has taken me 80 minutes once! By public transport, it takes me 25 minutes and it never fails.

I would recommend you to start with one car and try out the public transport - it might be more than enough for your needs.

I did say CHF2k+ parking and petrol...


Good point on the traffic...


Gah, playing it by ear does not sit well with the "planner" in me!
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I did say CHF2k+ parking and petrol...


Good point on the traffic...


Gah, playing it by ear does not sit well with the "planner" in me!
I agree. play it by ear..

To find a place NOT well served by public transport is more difficult than the opposite. At most you'd likely need one change and then straight to the office, and you probably find the there's a 3 minute wait for the change. The public transport does generally just work.

Our second car sits doing nothing for 90% of the time.
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Re: 2 cars or 1 + public transport?

I have to agree with the 'play it by ear' suggestion.

You will probably live very differently in Switzerland than you do at home. Trying to make concrete plans for your life here based on expectations and experiences from home leads to... well, a lot of expensive mistakes.

Come over, settle in, see how your life here plays out. Then make a decision.

(But if you even think two cars are a possibility - plan for parking spaces as you look at housing. Parking tends to be in short supply in many areas. You can always later rent out an unused space.)


I am on the other side of the country, but: We lived for the first five years with only one car, and it was do-able. Not always easy, but for the most part do-able.

But then a move to a different village and a change in our everyday needs quickly meant a second car became an absolute necessity. Where I live now there is no public transportation to where I most often need to go.

But YMMV. No sense in going to the expense until you are sure it is necessary.
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... and actually, quite a few market studies seem to not be too far off my post.

TCS - 10'613 CHF/year

Comparis - 11'027 CHf/year

K-Tipp - 9'650 CHF/year
Well, as we only do 15k km total, and have two sets of shared plates and insurance, and only one (owned) parking spot, ours work out to be much less. In fact, we spent less to purchase all 4 than the single vehicle in the TCS example!

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... and actually, quite a few market studies seem to not be too far off my post.
I just checked the K-tip article, whose numbers appear to be based on the TCS numbers. The calculation is so clearly wrong, it makes me wonder if the journalists and the creator of the study have any brains:

I bought my current car in Feb'15 with 32k km for 10k, catalog price was about 36k, I do about 25k km per year. According to K-Tip (point K in the list) the variable cost for those 25k km alone is 6.25% of the catalog price, or close to 25% of what I paid. Hence this item alone will cause a complete write-off of the car's value in less than five years, at which point it will have made about 140k km.

Even if you buy new (with the intent to hold until it's a wreck, to make it simple), point A means writeoff is 100% after ten years with zero km driven. At that point again, items K and A will fall to zero as there's no residual value remaining to base any writeoff on at all.
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Re: 2 cars or 1 + public transport?

Me again - this kind of property is an example of what I mean http://www.homegate.ch/rent/106002969?16

22 min drive or 1hr+ on public transport according to google maps.

We wouldn't be able to 'play it by ear' in this case. It would be a)get a second car or b) look somewhere else.

No idea what Belmont-sur-Lausanne is like - anyone??
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