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24.09.2008, 12:20
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I was flashed speeding today i think doing 68km in a 50km zone. I have a "Verwarnung" for an accident in oct 2007 valid for 2 years.
I am confused whether the new speeding will mean a monetry fine "busse" or becasue of my existing "Verwarnung" it will result in court action.
the Verwarnung states
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']"Im Falle einer erneuten leichten Widerhandlung innert der naechsten zwei Jahre, gerechnet ab Datum der vorliegenden Verfuegung, muesste der Fuehrerausweis fuer mindestens einen Monat entzogen werden (Art. 16a Abs. 2 SVG).[/FONT]
thanks for any help. i am realy worried!!
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24.09.2008, 12:24
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[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']"Im Falle einer erneuten leichten Widerhandlung innert der naechsten zwei Jahre, gerechnet ab Datum der vorliegenden Verfuegung, muesste der Fuehrerausweis fuer mindestens einen Monat entzogen werden (Art. 16a Abs. 2 SVG).[/font]
In the case of another light infraction within the next two years, your licence will be taken away for a minimun of one month.
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24.09.2008, 12:26
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thanks for the quick response but what is a "light infraction" is this a speeding fine?? is it any speeding or only when i go over 20km??
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24.09.2008, 12:27
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Translating your Verwarnung it states that if you commit any new offence *within 2 years of the date of issue of the notice then your licence will be revoked for one month = one month driving ban.
Exceeding the limit by 18k will definitely be a fine but I couldn't say how high. A work colleague was recently fined CHF 300 for about the same office, (70 in a 50 limit in Zurich city)
You might be lucky and it could be that the Starrkasten (Speed camera) isn't working properly
* The word used was "leichten" which I would translate in this context as "minor"
There's some very fast people on here today and two answers appeared whilst I was writing my answer so sorry for duplicating the answers
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24.09.2008, 12:30
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| | | Re: Speeding fine with existing Verwarnung | Quote: | |  | | | thanks for the quick response but what is a "light infraction" is this a speeding fine?? is it any speeding or only when i go over 20km?? | | | | |
The Swiss take a dim view of speeding, exceeding the limit beyond the accepted tolerance (which is low) will result in a fine.
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24.09.2008, 12:31
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ok, this is what i am confused about...
i understand that 20km and under over the speed limit is a money penalty "busse" and no court action
BUT if i have this warning is it still a "busse" OR is it a "leichten widerhandlung" and so mean a fine and confiscation of license for at least 1 month?
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24.09.2008, 12:33
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| | | Re: Speeding fine with existing Verwarnung | Quote: | |  | | | ok, this is what i am confused about...
i understand that 20km and under over the speed limit is a money penalty "busse" and no court action
BUT if i have this warning is it still a "busse" OR is it a "leichten widerhandlung" and so mean a fine and confiscation of license for at least 1 month? | | | | | I can't help you there I'm afraid as I simply don't know, it may be up to the authority handling your case as minor offence is a subjective term. I think others on the forum are more knowledgable regarding swiss law so I think you'll get some more advice here during the day
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24.09.2008, 13:28
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thanks for the info - i hope someine else has a good idea before i am sick with sorry for the next month!
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24.09.2008, 13:34
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I was googling a bit and what I could find was that there is something called besonders leichter Fall and something called leichter Fall. Drivning more than 15 km to fast "Innerorts" is Leichter Fall and would mean Leichter Widerhandlung, i.e. you lose your license for one month.
So it seems to all come down to how accurate the camara was mesuring your speed. If they give you 5 km "grace" you should be fine.
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24.09.2008, 13:37
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I don't know the OP, but surely they are a bit foolish driving that fast knowing that they have some sort of threat hanging over their head. I am sure that if I were in that situation, I would make sure I never speeded.Not that I do. Much.
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24.09.2008, 14:48
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hi, yes i made a mistake & understand consequences...no excuses... it would be lovely to be the model citizen all the time....i am just doing my best like the majprity. thanks for your suuport. | 
24.09.2008, 14:54
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I think that this will trigger the conditional clause you're under at the moment.
On the bright side, in the standard PePiPoo way, don't worry until you hear from them.
Forward-facing or rear?
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24.09.2008, 15:01
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Forward-facing or rear? | | | | | Sounds like the answer to a firing squad or guillotine related question. | 
24.09.2008, 15:18
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If you have a family member or good friend who would claim that he/she was driving at the time, you will then be off the hook | 
24.09.2008, 15:32
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I know it was in the UK and not here, but people have received (suspended) custodial sentences for that; http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...ll/5346928.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...re/7342778.stm
I imagine the Swiss wouldn't be too happy about it either if somebody was caught.
(ETA - I know you were jesting, but someone might think it's a good idea) | Quote: | |  | | | If you have a family member or good friend who would claim that he/she was driving at the time, you will then be off the hook | | | | | | 
24.09.2008, 15:36
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camera facing front of car.....so souns as if i lose license for 1 month - but then i get it back?
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24.09.2008, 15:38
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| | | Re: Speeding fine with existing Verwarnung | Quote: | |  | | | I was flashed speeding today i think doing 68km in a 50km zone. I have a "Verwarnung" for an accident in oct 2007 valid for 2 years.
I am confused whether the new speeding will mean a monetry fine "busse" or becasue of my existing "Verwarnung" it will result in court action.
the Verwarnung states
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']"Im Falle einer erneuten leichten Widerhandlung innert der naechsten zwei Jahre, gerechnet ab Datum der vorliegenden Verfuegung, muesste der Fuehrerausweis fuer mindestens einen Monat entzogen werden (Art. 16a Abs. 2 SVG).[/font]
thanks for any help. i am realy worried!! | | | | | I am not sure if your question has been answered. But my 2 cents worth to solve your problem. If the speeding comes under the limit where the penalty is only a monetary one, then the fines are paid anonymouosly. That basically means that you are not disclosing who speeded and your name is not in the records except as owner of the car. So you need not be worried about it. But if this an offence where you need to go to the court or the police then you are in trouble.
I am not sure under what category your speed means may be some other experts can answer this
Dont worry now, since if you lose your licence you have a month to worry about it. if you dont, you worried for nothing
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24.09.2008, 15:49
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| | | Re: Speeding fine with existing Verwarnung | Quote: | |  | | | I don't know the OP, but surely they are a bit foolish driving that fast knowing that they have some sort of threat hanging over their head. I am sure that if I were in that situation, I would make sure I never speeded.Not that I do. Much. | | | | | Everyone makes mistakes once i a while. you dont need to be foolish for that. Let us provide the OP with the information he is seeking.
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24.09.2008, 16:28
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Your 2 cents came with a lot of common sense, thank you :-) after after so much intense worry and panic i really cant remember if it was 68km :-(( at this speed, less the tolerance it would be 13-15km over the limit which i hope would be a fine. i will find out in a month. for now i will try to remain calm and stay out of trouble!*!
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24.09.2008, 17:28
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What the previous posters have said is correct. It will be an anonymous 250 CHF fine if you've been clocked 11-15 km/h over the limit, and at least four weeks sans license if it's 16 km/h or more.
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