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Old 17.11.2008, 10:31
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Maybe it's time to call the police to voice your concerns...
Good idea. Would there be a department also where one can give feedback on a dangerous junction and get them to do something about it? Like a Road & transport department? I'm pretty new in town.

Actually I find the roads & traffic here pretty weird, because some people get a CHF40 find for going 1km over the limit (which I'm sure they didn't do it on purpose), whild others get away with queue jumping, switching lanes illegally, not stopping at places which they should, driving pass a crossing when pedestrians are crossing & etc, which is much more dangerous than the 1km speed fault. Maybe the police should shift their focus on what matters more?

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Old 17.11.2008, 11:22
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Good idea. Would there be a department also where one can give feedback on a dangerous junction and get them to do something about it? Like a Road & transport department? I'm pretty new in town.
Good luck in this case. The road with the red arrow has, further along to the north west, the most idiotic pedestrian crossing I have ever seen.

It is used four times a day by children as it is next to a primary school, a play group and a hort.
It is also used by children from another school.

One of two crossings has been moved to the middle of a blind corner. Normally crossings are put on straight roads so drivers can see clearly down the road.
Here, the planner has decided to conceal the views for the drivers and rely on the five years olds to decide whether it is safe to cross. The big problem with this is that as the crossing is on a corner, they can only see in both directions if they are crossing south to north.
It's a blind corner when they cross the other way.

The reason why there are two crossings is that there is no footpath on one side of the road so children have to cross the busy road twice in the space of twenty metres.

So, congratulations to Waedenswil road planners (one of them at least) - you really are so incredibly stupid.

That's why I think you will have problems getting them to do anything at your junction.

However, I would like to put pressure on as well to sort out the pedestrian crossing on the same road when I work out an effective way of showing proof that it is dangerous.
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Old 17.11.2008, 12:00
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Good luck in this case. The road with the red arrow has, further along to the north west, the most idiotic pedestrian crossing I have ever seen.

It is used four times a day by children as it is next to a primary school, a play group and a hort.
It is also used by children from another school.

One of two crossings has been moved to the middle of a blind corner. Normally crossings are put on straight roads so drivers can see clearly down the road.
Here, the planner has decided to conceal the views for the drivers and rely on the five years olds to decide whether it is safe to cross. The big problem with this is that as the crossing is on a corner, they can only see in both directions if they are crossing south to north.
It's a blind corner when they cross the other way.

The reason why there are two crossings is that there is no footpath on one side of the road so children have to cross the busy road twice in the space of twenty metres.

So, congratulations to Waedenswil road planners (one of them at least) - you really are so incredibly stupid.

That's why I think you will have problems getting them to do anything at your junction.

However, I would like to put pressure on as well to sort out the pedestrian crossing on the same road when I work out an effective way of showing proof that it is dangerous.
To make things worse, when a bus stops at the bus stop, cars coming from blue turning right zip out and overtake the bus without slowing down, which is pretty crazy.

The other thing is that the gap between the bus and people waiting for the bus is probably only a couple of feet, mind you the bus just made a right turn and is closing up to the stop area for the bus. Any slip would mean bad news for those waiting for the bus. It is more narrow than it looks as there's a fence which cannot be seen in this picture.
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Try this website for a three dimensional cartoon quiz on the rules of the road ..

http://www.cooldriving.ch/en/home.htm#
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Try this website for a three dimensional cartoon quiz on the rules of the road ..

http://www.cooldriving.ch/en/home.htm#
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Old 17.11.2008, 21:07
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Good idea. Would there be a department also where one can give feedback on a dangerous junction and get them to do something about it? Like a Road & transport department? I'm pretty new in town.
They are going to do something about it. I did some digging around an it looks like they are going to put a roundabout in at your junction - due to the increase in traffic caused by land development and the new Aldi.

link to road planning meeting


Now this increase in traffic is the argument I need for them to sort out the school crossing...
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Now this increase in traffic is the argument I need for them to sort out the school crossing...
And it looks like one of the councillors has this high on his agenda.
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Old 17.11.2008, 22:17
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They are going to do something about it. I did some digging around an it looks like they are going to put a roundabout in at your junction - due to the increase in traffic caused by land development and the new Aldi.

link to road planning meeting


Now this increase in traffic is the argument I need for them to sort out the school crossing...
Thanks for the info. At the end of the same road, there's a crossing right at the curve of the road too.

Is it true that the new Aldi is opposite ZIS?
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Old 17.11.2008, 22:37
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Thanks for the info. At the end of the same road, there's a crossing right at the curve of the road too.
This is the one I'm talking about. It's next to the school. There used to a wooden barn next to it earlier this year but a car drove into it and demolished it.
You can still see the barn (and the older crossing position) on google maps.

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Is it true that the new Aldi is opposite ZIS?
No, it's next to the train station on Seestrasse (two buildings down). The Aldi signs are already up.

(should this bit be on the Aldi expansion thread? )
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Oh, I know where the barn is.

In any case, the junction in question is nothing compared to ...



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Traffic could be so easily redirected in that area with only a simple sign..


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Traffic could be so easily redirected in that area with only a simple sign..


There will be tons of speeding tickets issued around this junction.
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Crazy rules.

In civilised countries, through traffic on T-junctions has right of way.

Not quite as bewildering as the 4-way stop sign intersections I found on a recent trip to the US though.
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Actually I find the roads & traffic here pretty weird, because some people get a CHF40 find for going 1km over the limit (which I'm sure they didn't do it on purpose), whild others get away with queue jumping, switching lanes illegally, not stopping at places which they should, driving pass a crossing when pedestrians are crossing & etc, which is much more dangerous than the 1km speed fault. Maybe the police should shift their focus on what matters more?
In Switzerland, as in most countries, I'm sure revenue takes precendence over safety when it comes to enforcement.
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[quote=Tom1234;350744]They are going to do something about it. I did some digging around an it looks like they are going to put a roundabout in at your junction - due to the increase in traffic caused by land development and the new Aldi./quote]

Well that`s good news. The only downside is that I don`t understand the Swiss approach to roundabouts. I am used to indicate left when I turn left, but nobody here seems to do so. Indicating at roundabouts seems to be in general a rare thing. Does anyone know the Swiss rules on how to behave on a roundabout?
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The only downside is that I don`t understand the Swiss approach to roundabouts. I am used to indicate left when I turn left, but nobody here seems to do so. Indicating at roundabouts seems to be in general a rare thing. Does anyone know the Swiss rules on how to behave on a roundabout?
First off you never use a left turn indicator before or in a roundabout..! You only use your right indicator to signal your intended exit from the roundabout. The following diagram shows the correct way to signal (red squiggly line):

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Which is bollocks. Really.

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First off you never use a left turn indicator before or in a roundabout..! You only use your right indicator to signal your intended exit from the roundabout. The following diagram shows the correct way to signal (red squiggly line):

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Which is bollocks. Really.
Actually not as everybody in a roundabout is turning left, that's clear but who's turning right out of the roundabout..? Hence the reason one needs to signal right before exiting a roundabout.
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Actually not as everybody in a roundabout is turning left, that's clear but who's turning right out of the roundabout..? Hence the reason one needs to signal right before exiting a roundabout.
The reason for indicating as you approach/enter a roundabout is so that all the other people also entering the roundabout know what you're going to do beforehand, and don't have to wait for you to pass every other exit (except the one you want) before acting.

Ie: if you're coming out of the roundabout going "left" (or doing a U-turn) you "should" be indicating left as you approach/enter, then switch to a right indication once you've passed the exit before the one your want. (Yes, I know this isn't the rule in Switzerland - but it should be.)
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The reason for indicating as you approach/enter a roundabout is so that all the other people also entering the roundabout know what you're going to do beforehand, and don't have to wait for you to pass every other exit (except the one you want) before acting.

Ie: if you're coming out of the roundabout going "left" (or doing a U-turn) you "should" be indicating left as you approach/enter, then switch to a right indication once you've passed the exit before the one your want. (Yes, I know this isn't the rule in Switzerland - but it should be.)
I agree, it does not make sense that other European countries have a different rule on how to approach roundabouts to Switzerland. Roundabouts are a fairly new thing in Switzerland, so it would not be a big deal to adapt its rules to the rest of Europe.
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