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CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

I am wondering whether anyone has ever contested a car fine in Switzerland, and whether they have been successful.

My husband and I were in the car in a lane where the light was red for turning right. After about a minute the light for the left lane to go straight ahead changed to green, so my husband switched across to go into that lane and drove straight on. He must have crossed some line in the original lane and we were flashed and now have an enormous fine for having driven through a red light.

Do we have a case for contesting this, or do you think the swiss authorities will insist that we pay up?
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Old 08.11.2009, 21:39
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My husband and I were in the car in a lane where the light was red for turning right. After about a minute the light for the left lane to go straight ahead changed to green, so my husband switched across to go into that lane and drove straight on. He must have crossed some line in the original lane and we were flashed and now have an enormous fine for having driven through a red light.

Do we have a case for contesting this, or do you think the swiss authorities will insist that we pay up?
I had an almost identical scenario...also 350.- fine.
I went to the central police office in Zurich to ask about it. The man there said the law changed only recently...last year I believe. He said a lot of the police is against it but the judges needed to come up with "another way of generating more income".
So there's no getting off the hook there.
Itried to explain that I didn't run the red light, since I went through the green light. But once you are in that lane, passed the solid white line, there's no escape.

Sorry!
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Re: CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

It's usually not legal to cross the lane close to the intersection or within the intersection, so if you argue you might then add extra 'infringements' to the original offence...
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Re: CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

Surely they have a photo? Does it not show you going straight and not turning left?
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Re: CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

Switching lanes at a traffic light has never been a good idea in Switzerland. If you contest the fine it will even become much dearer. With your picture on the red light camera's film it's hopeless.
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Re: CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

First, if you look at the interchange, you may see that there is a solid white line that separates the right turn lane and the middle lane. My understanding is that it is illegal to cross this line to change lanes (avoids issues as people are entering the interchange). You have to change lanes well before the intersection.

Second, since you got flashed, you definitely went over the sensor that belongs to the right hand turn lane when you were moving over. Since there are normally two photos, they probably saw that and still sent you the fine.

I would suggest that you go to the local police station and ask if it would be worthwhile to contest the fine. They should be able to give you a frank opinion on whether you might win or not. Keep in mind, I think that it is illegal to change lanes like you did (but haven't we all done this).

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Switching lanes at a traffic light has never been a good idea in Switzerland.
Years ago I had a friend who didn't pass a driving test, and this is "all" they did wrong...
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Re: CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

Sounds like they got you either way. You crossed the solid line to make the green, but you have triggered a sensor, which activates the camera. Either way your stuffed.... don't you just love Swiss efficiency.
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Old 08.11.2009, 22:02
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Re: CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

It is two seperate fines; 250.- for crossing the red light and 100.- for crossing over the line. .....rather simple.
What I was trying to contest was the "running the red light". ...since I didn't actually go through the red light.....as was the case with ellie3759.
I had no problem paying for crossing the white line...
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Re: CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

In Switzerland you'd better think does it worth to save 5 minutes and cross solid line, and then get a fine ... ?

I, personally, try to avoid crossings which have cameras. Once you live in a region more than a year, you pay attention to all radars and memorize them all. I avoid them not because I violate, but because I hate being watched. I felt crazy when you approach to crossing on a green, and suddenly it becomes yellow. So you have no chance and you cross it. And then you live and think, will I get a fine? It's better to avoid those places.
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It is two seperate fines; 250.- for crossing the red light and 100.- for crossing over the line. .....rather simple.
What I was trying to contest was the "running the red light". ...since I didn't actually go through the red light.....as was the case with ellie3759.
I had no problem paying for crossing the white line...
Remember this:

1. The police have solid photographic evidence that your vehicle broke the law (twice). This makes the police case very strong and they have full justification from their point of view to issue the ticket(s)

2. Consider, when debating the issue with the police, what counter-evidence you can present to disclaim the polices photographic evidence

About the only issue you can debate is who was driving the car - the police photo may not show that clearly.

Basically, you're fighting a losing battle.
It's much easier to pay the fine, consider yourself told off by the police, and get on with life...
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Re: CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

I'm fed up of the stupid driving/parking hassles and am getting rid of my car.
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I am wondering whether anyone has ever contested a car fine in Switzerland, and whether they have been successful.

My husband and I were in the car in a lane where the light was red for turning right. After about a minute the light for the left lane to go straight ahead changed to green, so my husband switched across to go into that lane and drove straight on. He must have crossed some line in the original lane and we were flashed and now have an enormous fine for having driven through a red light.

Do we have a case for contesting this, or do you think the swiss authorities will insist that we pay up?
Red lights. To be honest, I live in Baden and I am somewhat fed up with people jumping red lights. Not jumping, per se, rather, just blatantly going through the light that is clearly on red. Cordulaplatz is a joke.

Usually I have to put up with this a few times a week. My self-imposed rule when I'm at the front of a queue at a red light is - wait. When orange, wait. When green, wait for the red-jumpers to go through. Then proceed. If you drive away at a hint of green - and I mean green - you will more than likely T-Bone someone. And then it may be your fault for 'enforcing your priority'.

But, I happened to be the lucky one at the white line/red light three times today (that is to say, three times over a period of two hours) in and around Baden. Even waiting until green light was emitted through the lens of the traffic-light, I still had to wait for them to pass; in the worst case, three cars went through on (what was obviously) red. I was wondering if I should enquire with the strassenverkehsamt to see if they have done a traffic-management software update. Maybe it has a bug that's allowing two opposing greens to occur at the same time??

This is something that, when I mention it to my Swiss colleagues, they totally agree that it's a problem. And, for most of the new expats who join us, it's usually one of the first things they notice.

If the AG/Baden police went around with some temporary red-light cameras tomorrow, they would make a killing! (I have noticed that there's an induction loop embedded in the road after most white stop lines, so the functionality is there..)

I know such red-jumping "practices" occur, to extents, everywhere. It's just here (AG) it seems to be rather widespread and - sadly - accepted.

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Red lights. To be honest, I live in Baden and I am somewhat fed up with people jumping red lights. Not jumping, per se, rather, just blatantly going through the light that is clearly on red. Cordulaplatz is a joke.

Usually I have to put up with this a few times a week. My self-imposed rule when I'm at the front of a queue at a red light is - wait. When orange, wait. When green, wait for the red-jumpers to go through. Then proceed. If you drive away at a hint of green - and I mean green - you will more than likely T-Bone someone. And then it may be your fault for 'enforcing your priority'.

But, I happened to be the lucky one at the white line/red light three times today (that is to say, three times over a period of two hours) in and around Baden. Even waiting until green light was emitted through the lens of the traffic-light, I still had to wait for them to pass; in the worst case, three cars went through on (what was obviously) red. I was wondering if I should enquire with the strassenverkehsamt to see if they have done a traffic-management software update. Maybe it has a bug that's allowing two opposing greens to occur at the same time??

This is something that, when I mention it to my Swiss colleagues, they totally agree that it's a problem. And, for most of the new expats who join us, it's usually one of the first things they notice.

If the AG/Baden police went around with some temporary red-light cameras tomorrow, they would make a killing! (I have noticed that there's an induction loop embedded in the road after most white stop lines, so the functionality is there..)

I know such red-jumping "practices" occur, to extents, everywhere. It's just here (AG) it seems to be rather widespread and - sadly - accepted.

Achtung, Gefahr.
The police must have heard you. There was a police officer at each light in Baden along the Bruggerstrasse this evening during rush hour.
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Re: CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

Hello there!
Just happened to me tonight :-(
Did anyone managed to appeal or get way with only one of the fines?
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Re: CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

Arrghh!

Got flashed by one today.
Perfect storm of looking up & seeing a green on both lanes, then an old dear wobbleing into the road with her dog which I slowed down almost to a stop for and got aggressively honked at by the prat behind me resulting in me losing concentration for a split second and thinking my left lane was still green...boosh!

F'ing annoyed with myself as that's the 1st time I've been flashed in over 3 years.
250 right?


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Hello there!
Just happened to me tonight :-(
Did anyone managed to appeal or get way with only one of the fines?
Got the fine: 100chf
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Arrghh!

Got flashed by one today.
Perfect storm of looking up & seeing a green on both lanes, then an old dear wobbleing into the road with her dog which I slowed down almost to a stop for and got aggressively honked at by the prat behind me resulting in me losing concentration for a split second and thinking my left lane was still green...boosh!

F'ing annoyed with myself as that's the 1st time I've been flashed in over 3 years.
250 right?


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Same happened to me, drove slowly over a green light in Basel but was flashed: I am assuming that i was too slow off the junction. First time getting a ticket for driving too slow. I expect to find it when I get home at the weekend.

I very much echo the sentiment, so well expressed: "Arse!"
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Arrghh!

Got flashed by one today.
Perfect storm of looking up & seeing a green on both lanes, then an old dear wobbleing into the road with her dog which I slowed down almost to a stop for and got aggressively honked at by the prat behind me resulting in me losing concentration for a split second and thinking my left lane was still green...boosh!

F'ing annoyed with myself as that's the 1st time I've been flashed in over 3 years.
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Same happened to me, drove slowly over a green light in Basel but was flashed: I am assuming that i was too slow off the junction. First time getting a ticket for driving too slow. I expect to find it when I get home at the weekend.

I very much echo the sentiment, so well expressed: "Arse!"
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Got the fine: 100chf
Fingers crossed that's all mine will be.
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