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Re: Child Seat Laws

The rear seat is the preferred option. But from my understanding the front seat is allowed.

http://www.childcarseats.org.uk/law/index.htm

What is NOT allowed is to use the front seat with a 'rear facing' baby seat with an air bag. - Most likely reason is to avoid suffication, i.e. the airbag could push the child seat into the back of the chair and cause suffication or injury. The air bag is designed to stop the person moving forwards....

But older children facing forwards are allowed provided they have a child seat and seat belt.

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Old 28.01.2011, 12:03
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The law is pretty black and white on this. Car seats for all below age of 12 I believe. Certainly the 7 year old will be included in the category needing a car/booster seat. The four-year olds will also need car seats, but could also be big enough to fit in a booster seat - ours certainly are.

By booster, I mean one of these:



And not one of these:

Yes, the law is black and white - even if you've interpreted it incorrectly.

For a child less than than 12 years old, or 150cm tall, both types of booster seat that you have shown are valid (and not just the top image).

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Old 28.01.2011, 12:12
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The law is pretty black and white on this. Car seats for all below age of 12 I believe.
There are actually two determiners:
1) Under 12 yrs. or
2) under 150cm.
-- whichever is reached first.

My 11 yr. old daughter is over 150cm and doesn't need to use a booster seat.
However, strangely, once a child has reached their 12th birthday, even if they are still less than 150cm, they too, don't need to use one.
Looking at it logically, the height of the child is more relevant than the age, due to the position of the belt, and how effectively it would work, when needed.
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The law is pretty black and white on this. Car seats for all below age of 12 I believe. Certainly the 7 year old will be included in the category needing a car/booster seat. The four-year olds will also need car seats, but could also be big enough to fit in a booster seat - ours certainly are.

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Yes, the law is black and white - even if you've interpreted it incorrectly.

For a child older than 12 years old, or 150cm tall, both types of booster seat that you have shown are valid (and not just the top image).

HTH
I think there still seems to be some confusion recently posted here. The early part of this thread before recently revived contains the correct info from my understanding.

-If over 12 years old or over 150cm, don't need a car seat at all.
-The two seats shown, booster seat with back and booser seat alone are legally valid to use if has correct EEC code for those under 12 years/150cm. TCS recommends the one with the fixed back as it gives better protection but the other one is still perfectly legal.
-Refer to the TCS site previously noted in thread for the details.
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Old 28.01.2011, 14:54
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Re: Child Seat Laws

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I think there still seems to be some confusion recently posted here. The early part of this thread before recently revived contains the correct info from my understanding.

-If over 12 years old or over 150cm, don't need a car seat at all.
-The two seats shown, booster seat with back and booser seat alone are legally valid to use if has correct EEC code for those under 12 years/150cm. TCS recommends the one with the fixed back as it gives better protection but the other one is still perfectly legal.
-Refer to the TCS site previously noted in thread for the details.
Yes, sorry - what I was trying to say that both types of booster seat were valid which was not what was being implied earlier.
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

My preference is the full seat, which also provides head protection, especially for side impact.

We use seats with ISO fix from Romer. Yes they are NOT cheap, but there are some things I will NOT skimp on and safety is one of them. The Romer Kid-fix (with ISO fix) is around 250chf. I think we paid a bit more as we went for the higher quality fabric (easier to keep clean/wipe down).

This seat should last him till he is 12, so that is 8 years: less than 32 chf per year. For me that is a small price to pay for our childs safety. Actually we have two of them one in each car, so it doesn't matter who picks him up.

Cheapest I found for these is here: http://www.kaenguruh.ch/pages/pg211-sortiment.html

Also good prices on Triptrap etc...
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I brought my child seats from Australia where it appears the naming standards are a little different from Europe. Does anyone know if these child seats (with 5 point harness) will still be OK?

I just bought a new seat for my 4yo, should I get a new car seat for my 2.75 yo?

Robyn
Legally no. They have to be EU approved with a label ECE R44/03 or ECE R44/04
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The law is pretty black and white on this. Car seats for all below age of 12 I believe. Certainly the 7 year old will be included in the category needing a car/booster seat. The four-year olds will also need car seats, but could also be big enough to fit in a booster seat - ours certainly are.

By booster, I mean one of these:



And not one of these:

My children are seven and ten, weigh about 25kg and are about 120cm.
So need a safety seat... Can they use a half booster (like the pink one shown), or do they need a full booster???
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Old 12.03.2012, 10:49
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

As far as I'm aware ones like the pink one are booster seats and are applicable for your childrens' ages.

The bigger full seat is for smaller children.

My 5yr. old uses one similar to the pink one.
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Old 12.03.2012, 10:51
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As far as I'm aware ones like the pink one are booster seats and are applicable for your childrens' ages.

The bigger full seat is for smaller children.
That is what I believe, too. My almost 8 year old is getting too tall for the ones like the gray one listed above - her head is no longer fully protected by the headrest. But I am trying to find an outside source to be sure...

Edit: I have found conflicting info out there. One shows you must have one with a back, another one that mentions a child seat or "cushion" which to me would be the pink one. I am sticking with what we have which most likely are no good as they are from the US and Germany...

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My children are seven and ten, weigh about 25kg and are about 120cm.
So need a safety seat... Can they use a half booster (like the pink one shown), or do they need a full booster???
As far as I'm aware ones like the pink one are booster seats and are applicable for your childrens' ages.

The bigger full seat is for smaller children.

My 5yr. old uses one similar to the pink one.
The grey one is not for smaller children - it is for older children and our 7 year old fits fine in his. We have friends with same-age children who have the small booster vs. the large

They are both for the same category. One is just safer than the other as it provides lumbar and head support in the event of a side-on collision. The smaller one has the advantage of being more transferable between cars if you have more than one.

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That is what I believe, too. My almost 8 year old is getting too tall for the ones like the gray one listed above - her head is no longer fully protected by the headrest. But I am trying to find an outside source to be sure...
I would be surprised if your child would be able to outgrow the head-rest on the seats that we have as they can slide up and down to suit the height of the child.

That said, it may just be that your child is big enough to no longer need a booster seat at all.
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Old 12.03.2012, 11:03
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

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The grey one is not for smaller children - it is for older children and our 7 year old fits fine in his. We have friends with same-age children who have the small booster vs. the large

They are both for the same category. One is just safer than the other as it provides lumbar and head support in the event of a side-on collision. The smaller one has the advantage of being more transferable between cars if you have more than one.



I would be surprised if your child would be able to outgrow the head-rest on the seats that we have as they can slide up and down to suit the height of the child.

That said, it may just be that your child is big enough to no longer need a booster seat at all.
Well, I need to check that it was in the top position, but the last time we looked, she seemed like it was getting too small. She is about 132 cm, so not yet 150 cm...we have about 4 different kinds between 3 kids and 3 countries, so maybe there is one that still fits
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

Point of clarification needed here please.

At what age is it legal here for a child to sit in a front seat with the correct children's seat?

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Old 10.04.2012, 23:24
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Point of clarification needed here please.

At what age is it legal here for a child to sit in a front seat with the correct children's seat?

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Any age.

(although with a rear facing seat, the airbag should be switched off).
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Point of clarification needed here please.

At what age is it legal here for a child to sit in a front seat with the correct children's seat?

Thanks
According to this -> http://www.astra.admin.ch/dienstleis...x.html?lang=de

Kids sitting in the front seat are fine, same regulations as sitting in the back seat - only addition is for rear facing baby seats the airbag has to be deactivated.
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Any age.

(although with a rear facing seat, the airbag should be switched off).
So much quicker typing than me...
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

Great thread...

Can someone clarify (I don't speak German or French and google translator isn't doing a great job), what about a 5yr old? The initial post says ages under 7 need booster or carseat. Is there specifications about which is required?

Also, I have a new Britax booster, it doesn't have a sticker, presumably because it was sold in the US. Do I need a new one?
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

At age 5 your child needs to be in a full seat, the small booster seats do not offer enough protection
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At age 5 your child needs to be in a full seat, the small booster seats do not offer enough protection
Is that required by the law?
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Is that required by the law?

I don't know about the law there, but I know the law in the US doesn't cover what is really the safest option. I would not put my 5 year old in the bottom booster.
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