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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

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Is that required by the law?
No, it's not law.

To the others:

In fact, for most types of accidents, a booster seat is as safe as a full child seat.

Have you ever wondered why the major childrens' car seat manufacturers don't make booster seats?

It wouldn't be in their interest financially. Why sell something for 10USD when you can sell something for 200USD?

Did you know that major childrens' car seat manufacturers exert so much pressure on crash safety testing facilities that it would be financial suicide for these facilities to test booster seats.

It's not just about safety, it's about money.
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Old 25.04.2012, 09:55
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

Got any support for that theory?
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Old 25.04.2012, 10:06
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Got any support for that theory?
Which bit - the bit about it not being law or the rest?

I'm sure I could google something. I'll have a look later if you want.

It's not exactly a secret
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Old 25.04.2012, 10:43
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

The guys behind Freakonomics did research into the safety of car seats for kids. They found that above the age of 2 all that is required is a seat belt at the correct height. All of the car seat manufacturers claims are their seats versus an unrestrained child.

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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

Same with the fanatical movement around rear-facing child seats. Sure they come out as safer than forward facing seats in certain types of accidents (direct rear impact collisions I think, can't remember all the precise details off the top of my head), but all the marketing fails to mention that in the event of an accident it would be safer for ALL passengers in a car to be rear-facing... including the driver! They don't give you any stats on other types of accidents. They don't quantify that it's actually a marginal improvement in safety which many people may feel is outweighed by other factors, e.g. forward facing child easier to keep happy, so less screaming in the car, so less likelihood of driver being distracted from safe driving. They just play to the guilt-factor of being a parent to make you shell out for much more expensive seats... as I did, in the full knowledge of everything I've just said :-)
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Old 25.04.2012, 11:04
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Same with the fanatical movement around rear-facing child seats. Sure they come out as safer than forward facing seats in certain types of accidents (direct rear impact collisions I think, can't remember all the precise details off the top of my head)
Actually, it's the other way around- a front impact.

If you drive into something, you get thrown forwards.
For a young baby, whose neck is not strong enough, getting thrown forward can be fatal.
With the seat the other way round (forward facing), this would be the case.

With a rear-facing child seat and a collision from the rear, this protection isn't here.

Which is my point. Of course a full child seat is safer than a booster - but only for side impact crashed - which are much rarely than frontal impacts.

Frontal impacts (driving into something) are much more common than rear-impacts. Is this wasn't the case then we'd all get told to put babies in front-facing seats.


It's rather like those Daily Mail statistics that say if you eat five raw onions a day, you'll half the chance of getting a particular type of rare cancer.

Sounds worth doing (despite being pretty disgusting to eat and a way to lose all your friends), until you read a bit further into it and discover that only 1 in 100,000 people get this sort of cancer.
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

My child has just started taking a taxi service to school for which we are told we need to get a booster seat. He is 1 month shy of 8 yr old and 38 kg. We borrowed a neighbor's booster this morning as we don't have one since our car has built-in boosters. The taxi driver informed me that he does not have to be in a booster since he weighs more than the range indicated for boosters (15 - 36 kg). Can anyone confirm that this is correct? I see boosters that accomodate higher weight ranges in the USA but did not see any on the Suisse site I looked at. Thanks for any help you can provide!
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My child has just started taking a taxi service to school for which we are told we need to get a booster seat. He is 1 month shy of 8 yr old and 38 kg. We borrowed a neighbor's booster this morning as we don't have one since our car has built-in boosters. The taxi driver informed me that he does not have to be in a booster since he weighs more than the range indicated for boosters (15 - 36 kg). Can anyone confirm that this is correct? I see boosters that accomodate higher weight ranges in the USA but did not see any on the Suisse site I looked at. Thanks for any help you can provide!
It;s the weight, not the height that's crucial. If he's under 12 and less than 150cm tall then he needs a booster seat.
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Old 27.08.2012, 17:03
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It;s the weight height, not the height weight that's crucial. If he's under 12 and less than 150cm tall then he needs a booster seat.
corrected that FY

As soon as one of those criteria is met, then he no longer need ones.
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

I have a half related question: is there a way to fit 3 carseats to the back side of a rather large car (i.e. audi a4 estate), and would that be somehow illegal? The current two seats we have take more space than a normal human, and I dont want to change my car if possible...
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As soon as one of those criteria is met, then he no longer need ones.
Thanks. I should read what I write.
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Old 27.08.2012, 17:30
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

So does anyone know where I can find a booster that will accommodate a child who is 141 cm tall and 38.78 kg?
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Old 27.08.2012, 17:41
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I have a half related question: is there a way to fit 3 carseats to the back side of a rather large car (i.e. audi a4 estate), and would that be somehow illegal? The current two seats we have take more space than a normal human, and I dont want to change my car if possible...
If the seats can't fit in then you either need slimmer seats or a different car.

I have an LR3 and it could just get 3 seats side-by-side. Some seats are less wide.

Don't take a chance with your kids is what I say.
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So does anyone know where I can find a booster that will accommodate a child who is 141 cm tall and 38.78 kg?
Jumbo. A simple booster is probably around 20 francs.

That's a good BMI your kid has, keep up the good work
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I have a half related question: is there a way to fit 3 carseats to the back side of a rather large car (i.e. audi a4 estate), and would that be somehow illegal? The current two seats we have take more space than a normal human, and I dont want to change my car if possible...
Large on the outside and small on the inside. The rather large Audi Q5s are the same with regard to child seats.

A possible solution is for one of the adults to travel in the back between the two child seats and one of the children to travel in the front in their child seat.

Or ask Audi?

"Which" Magazine doesn't think it's possible and says your only option is a backless booster in the middle seat.
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I have a half related question: is there a way to fit 3 carseats to the back side of a rather large car (i.e. audi a4 estate), and would that be somehow illegal? The current two seats we have take more space than a normal human, and I dont want to change my car if possible...
It's not illegal but if you have to strap in with seat belt each time then you end up breaking your hand each time and get good practice on your swearing... It is really hard to get 3 across, unless you have a VW Transporter or something like that!
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

That's a good BMI your kid has, keep up the good work


Thanks for your concern Sean
He has special needs (hence his taking a taxi to school) which require him to be on certain meds that tend to promote weight gain. It is the lesser of two evils...
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010



Hi All,

We bought one of these recenlty: http://www.bubblebum.co/

It is great for travelling and can fit in the middle of two big car seats. We picked ours up in the US while we were out there but they are from a UK company and sold on Amazon and other websites....
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Hi All,

We bought one of these recenlty: http://www.bubblebum.co/

It is great for travelling and can fit in the middle of two big car seats. We picked ours up in the US while we were out there but they are from a UK company and sold on Amazon and other websites....
They sell them here as well - Athleticum stock them. But they're quite small and not really ideal for more rotund children.
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Re: Car seats for children - law change 1 April 2010

They have them here in the stores as well; bought ours at Migros Brico, great for travelling.

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Hi All,

We bought one of these recenlty: http://www.bubblebum.co/

It is great for travelling and can fit in the middle of two big car seats. We picked ours up in the US while we were out there but they are from a UK company and sold on Amazon and other websites....
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They sell them here as well - Athleticum stock them. But they're quite small and not really ideal for more rotund children.
They are more for travelling and useful if you need a third seat in the middle.

We just have one kid and use the Romer Kid Fix (iso fix) seats as the main seat in both cars as these provide the best protection, then have boosters with arms for an extra seat (or can put two Kid fixes into one car). The Bubble bum could be used as a third seat or for when travelling and you need it for taxis...

Our boy and his friends are skinny as rakes.

So for us it's perfect for what we bought it for. Obivously you need to decide if it suits your needs and check the size and limitations (weight) for your child which is detailed on the website.
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