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behind Abaton cinema in Zürich, there are relatively new apartment houses, with quite strange parking spaces: they are yellow, there's a Verbot shield on the wall saying that these parking slots are reserved for visitors only. And there's a parking meter, charging 24/7 at the rate of 2 CHF/hour!

I was unlucky to have only 2 CHF in my pocket, and I spent about 1.5 hours on that spot. Also I was not visiting any of the surrounding buildings. Fair enough, I'm a violator and must be punished.

What bothers me, is that the ticket is issued by a private company in the name of the local residents. Also I could not find any reference to any relation between "PPC (Private Parking Control) Wüst" and the local residence. Also by searching in Google you would find some other interesting opinions about this company.

Now I'm tempting not to pay and wait for what happens. Not because of 40 Franks, but because I find it strange that some company in Otelfingen would receive money for what I've done to the local residents.

what do you think? worth waiting, or I should pay and forget?
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Re: Parking fine from a private company

Take it to the police station and ask if it's valid? They may want to know who's issuing parking fines.

I've never heard of anything like that - but don't take my word for it.
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Re: Parking fine from a private company

You got caught. Pay up.

That's the nice, simple, uncomplicated answer.

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Re: Parking fine from a private company

Mr C reckons it's legit.
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Re: Parking fine from a private company

It's becoming increasingly normal to outsource parking controls to private companies. This is common practice in the UK. Individuals here are entitled to put a ticket on your screen if you're in their space without permission and the fine is binding, so I presume the residents association has found a hotline wielding contractor to do the dusty work for them. It's a popular night spot and parking is always a hassle there. I'm not surprised you were fined, it must happen every night.
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It's becoming increasingly normal to outsource parking controls to private companies. This is common practice in the UK. Individuals here are entitled to put a ticket on your screen if you're in their space without permission and the fine is binding, so I presume the residents association has found a hotline wielding contractor to do the dusty work for them. It's a popular night spot and parking is always a hassle there. I'm not surprised you were fined, it must happen every night.
Except that in the UK those private parking companies have absolutely no right to "fine" you and often scare you into paying by using legal jargon and idle threats.

If you get a private parking ticket in the UK, ignore it.
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Except that in the UK those private parking companies have absolutely no right to "fine" you and often scare you into paying by using legal jargon and idle threats.

If you get a private parking ticket in the UK, ignore it.
Not in all cases. If a residents association decides to contract work out to such a firm, they can clamp or even tow your car away. The 'fee' to release the vehicle is valid. (This was done where I used to live in England as a means of stopping people from outside the community parking on pavements, in front of drives etc. and was over seen by the police.) No idea if it's legal here, but considering the owner / landlord of the spot may individually attach a fine and note to a car, I'd say there'd be no legal reason why a contractor can't do it, too

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Old 13.12.2009, 17:28
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behind Abaton cinema in Zürich, there are relatively new apartment houses, with quite strange parking spaces: they are yellow, there's a Verbot shield on the wall saying that these parking slots are reserved for visitors only. And there's a parking meter, charging 24/7 at the rate of 2 CHF/hour!

I was unlucky to have only 2 CHF in my pocket, and I spent about 1.5 hours on that spot. Also I was not visiting any of the surrounding buildings. Fair enough, I'm a violator and must be punished.

What bothers me, is that the ticket is issued by a private company in the name of the local residents. Also I could not find any reference to any relation between "PPC (Private Parking Control) Wüst" and the local residence. Also by searching in Google you would find some other interesting opinions about this company.

Now I'm tempting not to pay and wait for what happens. Not because of 40 Franks, but because I find it strange that some company in Otelfingen would receive money for what I've done to the local residents.

what do you think? worth waiting, or I should pay and forget?
The police have no role in this. It is a civil claim between a "consumer" and a "vendor".

You can ask the PPC to produce the PoA (Vollmacht = Power of Attorney) which authorizes them to collect the penalty.

Subsequently, you can nevertheless refuse to pay. They can stick a "Betreibung" on you. That is a real nuisance because it goes on Government record. Then it needs explanation when applying for a job, apartment, work-permit, mortgage, etc.

Personally, I hate hassles and would just pay!
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Re: Parking fine from a private company

I had a ticket from Private Parking Control (PPC) last Saturday. I went to deliver some documents to a company in Wallisellen. My car was properly parked in the visitor car park, I must have been there just a couple of minutes. An employee of PPC was hiding somewhere waiting for cars to park there, because as I was walking back to the car he already wrote a fine. I asked him politely why but he pretended he didn't understand me. So I wrote to this company and they replied that on Saturdays and Sundays there are no businesses opened so parking was illegal. My visit was genuine and I was there only for a couple of minutes.

Now, I did a quick search on google and found numerous comments of angry people who fell victim of PPC's scam (one could call that a scam). They probably rely on people getting scared and paying their illegal fines. I plan to go to see the police and report them. I don't know how good this will do, but in a country where I thought most people were honest, that cannot carry on.

If you were fined by this company, think twice before paying it and go see the police. If everyone does that, they will probably stop stealing people.
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Re: Parking fine from a private company

the payment was due end of December, and I haven't yet got a reminder. Probably they don't really bother and make their business on those who pay without thinking.
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Re: Parking fine from a private company

I doubt it.

This is Switzerland you know .
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Re: Parking fine from a private company

a colleague of mine (he's a Swiss) said he never paid the tickets that were not from the police. And he never got a reminder. I think it's still worth waiting until something comes to you personally by post.

zürihegel and Natasha, I tend to disagree. If 30% of those bills are paid immediately, the guys are already doing a good business. Following up the payments and re-sending reminders is actually quite expensive in terms of working time and salary, so why should they bother?

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Re: Parking fine from a private company

I am not sure how true of what your colleague has told you, but if they bring a case against you, you have to suffer the consequences, not your colleague...

I am not sure it's worth your while to gamble on this one....
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I am not sure how true of what your colleague has told you, but if they bring a case against you, you have to suffer the consequences, not your colleague...

I am not sure it's worth your while to gamble on this one....
nobody is able to bring up a case against me until he sends me a recorded letter with the payment reminder. In my defense I can easily claim that someone stole the ticket from my windscreen.

If you look at the scan of the ticket in my first posting, you would not find any phone number or even email address. Those guys don't want to spend any money on following up, as it's expensive and requires more people on salary. I think their business model works absolutely fine because of people like you
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a colleague of mine (he's a Swiss) said he never paid the tickets that were not from the police. And he never got a reminder. I think it's still worth waiting until something comes to you personally by post.

zürihegel and Natasha, I tend to disagree. If 30% of those bills are paid immediately, the guys are already doing a good business. Following up the payments and re-sending reminders is actually quite expensive in terms of working time and salary, so why should they bother?
Your colleague going to pay the possible fine ?
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nobody is able to bring up a case against me until he sends me a recorded letter with the payment reminder. In my defense I can easily claim that someone stole the ticket from my windscreen.

If you look at the scan of the ticket in my first posting, you would not find any phone number or even email address. Those guys don't want to spend any money on following up, as it's expensive and requires more people on salary. I think their business model works absolutely fine because of people like you
I don't understand it, you know you parked illegally and you got caught. Why not pay the d***ed fine and be done with it? Why come on here looking for justification not to pay it? If there are more people like you maybe the people who live in the apartments will decide they need to start clamping cars or having them towed...
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Re: Parking fine from a private company

I don't mind paying the fine to the people who pay for these parking lots. What bothers me is that some unknown company sends me a bill, and there's not even a phone number to ask questions.

Plus, I'm just curious if a payment reminder is part of their business model or not. I guess it's not
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and there's not even a phone number to ask questions.
Given this thread I can understand why...They would have people calling them up incessantly telling them why they think they have been wronged. The company has had quite a bit of coverage in the press and some of their practices may be considered borderline, but this is not the case for you as you readily admit. So....you can pay the fine or wait until the police knock on your door with a fine that is twice as high. Your choice....
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my scientific curiosity over-weighs the 12 CHF fee for the reminder as they write on the ticket
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my scientific curiosity over-weighs the 12 CHF fee for the reminder as they write on the ticket
I think your a stroppy 4rse who should pay up for having been caught illegally parkied, I also hope they increase the fine for good measure. Don't get me wrong I hate parking bandits as much as the next person, but dis-like illegal parkers way more.
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