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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

On www.autoscout.ch, you can find 2008 wrangler jeeps from 30 to 40k CHF, according to mileage and equipment.
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Old 19.01.2010, 09:46
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That is the type of bumper, but mine are black powdercoat. I hate to send them back, but will definately take your advice. I was also looking forward to getting some Mickey Thompson old school 18 rims, but I will scrap that idea too. Conformity... I am so bad at that word. Sort of goes against the Jeep mentalitiy. I will pick up the rims and snow tires as suggested. Just one more question. Realistically, if i bought a 2 year old Jeep Wrangler in Switzerland, How much would I be looking at. I have to admit, I did not expect this level of modification. And how much do you think it will cost to modify bumpers, etc. Is 2000$ high or low?
I just looked on line and you can get a Jeep Wrangler 2008 3.8 liter for around 30K chf. But, last year I saw the 4 door version at a dealer for over 70K chf.

I sometimes wish I had brought my car from the States when I moved here. It would have saved us at least 10K.
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Old 19.01.2010, 14:09
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MOABMAN,

UDAMAN! Thanks for all the great info, and do you ever sleep? I am in the States today, so late posts are early for me.
I was doing some Ebay bidding on stuff I need for another project so you gave me something to do to stay awake.

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I will ask a couple more until you tell me to take a hike! BTW, I will happily buy you and your wife drinks or dinner once I make it over. Any jeep meets or clubs? If your are ever in the states looking for some serious offroad mudding, I have some Tennessee River Bottom land you would love.
I'm happy to help. Thanks for the offer, I still have a mud Jeep back home in England and we have two other British registered RHD Jeeps that are built for rockcrawling. We send them over to the US now and then to go on expeditions with friends. Probably going to drive the Rubicon Trail again this year and do some sight seeing in Yellowstone before heading back to Moab.

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Fog lights in the front, my vehicle is not equipped, are the mandatory? Something I can add here no problem.
The front fog lamps are not mandatory but at least one rear red one is. All lamps have to be 'E' marked if available in that size. Probably best not buy these in the US unless you can see on some other JK an 'E' or 'e' in a circle with a one or two digit number.

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Already arranged to ship back the aftermarket bumpers.

Sounds like it will be worth the hassell, as long I understand there will be a hassel. With my price point, I should still be under 25,000 CHF, which by US standards is highway robbery, but a steal in Switzerland. Also, as a 2nd vehicle, it should be ok to be tied up in the process. In about 2-3 years, do you think I would have any problems selling since it came from the US?
My friend in England just replied and said he paid GBP950 ($1600) for the conversion work and parts needed to pass the British test. A lot of the parts he had will be the same that you need. At a guess, I reckon half that figure was labor.

I don't think you will have any problem selling it on, you may even make a profit. The biggest advantage your Jeep will have over the Swiss JKs is that yours can be shipped back to the USA and kept there permanently without any legal problems if you decide to keep it.

All European Jeeps are damned with an 'EXPORT MODEL' sticker that prevents them from being permanently exported TO the USA. This is particularly frustrating for me owning two Jeeps that were made in America that I have to bring back to England every year for an annual inspection and smog check.

All US registered Jeeps have NHTSA and EPA stickers. As long as these are still readable by Customs and Border Patrol officers at the US Port of Entry you can just go to your DMV and get it registered.

None of the diesel JK's that can be purchased in Europe can be exported permanently to the USA.
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

Yeah, it looks like even worst case scenario, I will come out 5000CHF better than buying another, and I will have the Jeep I love over with me.
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Old 19.01.2010, 15:14
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Yeah, it looks like even worst case scenario, I will come out 5000CHF better than buying another, and I will have the Jeep I love over with me.
Nice. Good luck with that
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

The front fog lamps are not mandatory but at least one rear red one is. All lamps have to be 'E' marked if available in that size. Probably best not buy these in the US unless you can see on some other JK an 'E' or 'e' in a circle with a one or two digit number.

Does the rear fog lamp need an E as well? Below are some of the options I will have in the states. Do you think there would be an issue with an aftermarket switch on the panel similar to the KC option below? There is a new type, the one made by daystar that is below, that blends in with the insturment panel as well.




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Old 19.01.2010, 16:46
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Does the rear fog lamp need an E as well?
All lamps here have to be 'E' marked. Don't worry, even the Hella lamps can be found for less than $20 in Europe. I think the last time we broke one on the TJ it cost 2.50 ($4) for a replacement. Leave the lamps until you get here.

I have seen US registered vehicles driving in Switzerland (some even with expired tags!) so you probably have some time like kevlegs had to get the work done.
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Old 19.01.2010, 16:50
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The accessory switch panel has 'Contura' switches that are usually supplied with ARB lockers. You don't need this.

See the factory switch panel above? The switches that you need go in place of the blanking plates and can be purchased from a Jeep dealer. Keep it looking factory and you won't have any problems with unauthorized modifications.
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Old 19.01.2010, 23:25
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

I took of some photos today of some of the stuff you need. Sorry, my Jeep was covered in road grime and salt and it was too cold to wash it today.

All of the switches in the JK are software controlled. For most it is just a case of buying the switch, installing it and then reflashing the ECU to include the software module for the new switch. Then using a DRBIII scan tool a technician can activate/deactivate/program the functions of the new switch. In some cases, a lower specified Jeep may not have the necessary wiring and either a wiring swap or add-in circuit is required.

For the fog lamps you need a five position switch stalk. It actually looks like four positions but you will spot the pullout 4th position in the following pictures.


The positions are:-
1. Off
2. Marker lights (sidelights)
3. Main lights
4. Pull out for front fog lamps
5. Rear fog lamps

Switch position 3, marker lights and main lights on.


Switch position 4, marker lights, main lights and front fog lamps on.


Switch position 5, marker lights, main lights, front fog lamps and rear fog lamps on.


This is the front fog lamp indicator. You probably already have this in your instrument cluster.


This is the rear fog lamp indicator. It is a legal requirement to have one illuminated in the driver's field of view when the rear fog lamps are on. You probably already have this as well.


The headlamp beam adjustment switch is between the flashers and the ESP switch
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Old 19.01.2010, 23:26
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

This is an 'E' code 7" glass headlamp with a marker light bulb and H4 bulb inside.


Some lamps, like the high level brake light are both 'E' code and DOT approved.


Some are exclusively 'E' code like this tail light


...and the domed turn signal repeater


This is the EU Ugly Bumper that has the molded in 'snow plows'


This shows the tail light and rear fog lamp on. The turn signal is clear but has an amber bulb inside. The backup light is between the turn signal and stop/tail lamp. My body tub isn't dented it's just a strange reflection of a snow covered plant in our garden.


This is the turn signal on


I hope these help.
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

They really do. Thanks for your work here.
Do you think it would be possible to add a switch next to the hazzard and headlight adjustment switch to turn on the fog light or lights? Wouldnt that be an easier option than the stem?

Also, is below the same snow tire emblem? I have multiple options if so.


Do you currently run two sets of tires or 1? I have found some options that would be good year round tires, that have this emblem. Such as the Goodyear Triple Tread Fortera. It does not have an E. E in the states is a load rating from what I have found, not a european designation.
If I pick up these new tires, I will have 2 sets. One Wrangler ST M+S p225/75R16 (109MPH rating)and the new on my 17's with a P245 or P255's (both rated at 130MPH)
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Old 20.01.2010, 09:05
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

It's the same snow tire emblem.

Changing the switch stalk may be the easiest option if your Jeep already has the wiring in place. If you, want to put your own switches in you also have to satisfy the in-cab warning light regulation. Remember this is a CAN bus Jeep.

When importing a European made vehicle into the USA, the NHTSA have a list of parts that have to be fitted to bring the vehicle into compliance. I don't know if the Swiss do the same, that's something for you to find out. If they don't, you can put any switches and wiring in that you want. Knowing, how fussy they are about even changing from black rubber to black urethane suspension bushes I suspect that changing the stalk will be the way to go.
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Old 20.01.2010, 09:06
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

I have bought 'E' marked BF Goodrich MTs in the USA before. If the same tire is available in Europe it is likely to be 'e' marked.
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

I hope that I did not miss the info here. I am in the uk and trying to finish the conversion on my lights I have the front complete as well as the rear fog that was once my third brake light. Unfortunately I cannot figure out the rear turn signal. I need a little assistance on the wiring. I don't want to hack things up.
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

I am fairly certain that you will not be permitted to use the high level brake lamp as a fog lamp. There are regulations governing the height of the fog lamp from the road and high level brake lamps are mandatory on any vehicle made since about 1997.

If you don't want to buy the OEM rear light clusters with fog lamps, just buy a pod style fog lamp from Halfords and mount it centrally under the rear bumper.
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Old 06.05.2010, 12:15
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Unfortunately I cannot figure out the rear turn signal. I need a little assistance on the wiring. I don't want to hack things up.
Do you have a circuit diagram?

Does the turn signal flasher module break the earth to the lamp?

If you are using the original US light clusters you will probably need separate amber turn signals fitted to the body. For the amber turn signals I think the flasher module has to be wired to 'make' earth on the lamps or provide power to a lamp that doesn't have a switched earth.

The original tail lamps, with flasher module no longer in circuit, can be wired to earth so that they always come on and stay on with marker lamps and with main lamps.

If you are aiming to pass the UK BIVA/SVA test then you really need to get a copy of the Single Vehicle Approval Inspection Manual. It costs 37 and you can get them from VOSA http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/publicati...s.htm#P63_1674
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

Dear Moab Man


This is the first time I am addressing this forum so accept my apologies if I do something wrong or inappropriate. I have a Jeep Wrangler Arctic Unlimited model 2012 registered in Switzerland and I have already switched the front and rear bumpers to the Smittybilt XRC series.


Do you know if this is legal or how I could make it legal if possible? It would be really petty to go back to the factory once.


I would really appreciate your guidance here.


Have a great day
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

MoabMan hasn't been online for more than a year, but perhaps someone else can help. Good luck.
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MoabMan hasn't been online for more than a year, but perhaps someone else can help. Good luck.
Your best bet would be to talk to:
- STVA with regards to the legality and whether it needs testing
- A Jeep dealership to see if one of their guys knows (try JH Keller in Zurich)
- Jeep aftermarket parts supplier
- Swiss Jeep forum

Be warned if you drive around with non-approved parts on - and you get stopped - the police tend to apply a substantial fee for their eagle-eyeness.
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