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Called my car brand dealerships in town for a price quotation for an oil change for the first time "in die Schwiiz" and got a CHF100 to CHF200 range...just for an oil change!!! This is legalized swindling to me.

I mean, I used to pay $39.95 to $59.95 tops back in NYC and they even throw in a free car wash plus topping off the windshield washer fluid.

Given, CHF200 ain't nothing and it's a different country with her own ways BUT I just can't get it in my head.

I guess my question will be:

Is Oil Change service that "pricey" around here?
Sorry I know nothing but it's in "der Schweiz" as it is Dativ ..
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Old 24.06.2010, 11:38
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I have a Mercedes SLK 280. The car is brand new and it's manual said I need an oil change and filter at 20K km but the odometer is barely over 11K km and the system computer is recommending an oil change.

I'm not really a hands-on kinda guy when it comes to auto mechanics. I'd rather pay a professional just so that I can have someone to blame, legally, later if something goes wrong

if merc dealers here are the same as the uk (ripp off merchants) then you'll be paying a fortune for the oil, we where charged £45 a litre for mobil 1 in the uk at a merc main dealer, even now (5 years later) halfords only charge £15 a litre for it.
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Sorry I know nothing but it's in "der Schweiz" as it is Dativ ..
"in die Schwiiz" is the local slang. Sorry to bust your "Hoch Deutsch" bubble.
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I have a Mercedes SLK 280. The car is brand new and it's manual said I need an oil change and filter at 20K km but the odometer is barely over 11K km and the system computer is recommending an oil change.

I'm not really a hands-on kinda guy when it comes to auto mechanics. I'd rather pay a professional just so that I can have someone to blame, legally, later if something goes wrong

Thats only the first oil change as the car is "being run in" they need to get rid of all the metal shavings from all the parts moving. Normally it is at 5-7 for a brand new car.


The one thing that does bother me and I liked in the US was the speed which with it was done. Here the car needs to go in for a full day. there you just sit around for an hour or so and you are on your way....

Btw my jeep (diesel) is 20 k
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I have a Mercedes SLK 280. The car is brand new and it's manual said I need an oil change and filter at 20K km but the odometer is barely over 11K km and the system computer is recommending an oil change.

I'm not really a hands-on kinda guy when it comes to auto mechanics. I'd rather pay a professional just so that I can have someone to blame, legally, later if something goes wrong
Your car may have sensors that detect how much "stuff" is in your oil and new cars are supposed to have a shorter initial oil change interval due to break in wear. In fact many cars use a different oil for the first interval to assist or enhance the appropriate wearing of any load or stress bearing surfaces in the engine. (e.g. pistons, rings, cylinder walls)

I've also noticed that when I spend a lot of time in Germany, due to the speed that I drive up there, I tend to have shorter oil change intervals. Not to mention the fact that my engine actually uses oil when it is driven at sustained speeds of over 160kmh. I asked my mechanic and he said, as long as I am only burning less than 1 ltr every 10K km, not to worry.
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Re: Oil Change

If your car is brand new, you are probably stuck with the merc dealer for the warranty. I guess that if you change oil at a non-merc dealer you might void the warranty.

Cheap alternatives, other than going over the border to Germany, in Switzerland could be ATU http://www.auto-technik-unger.ch For example they charge 35 chf for the mandatory exhaust check instead of the 90-120 chf that BMW charges to its beloved customers...

Anyway I would check the contract and the warranty clauses before going to a non Mercedes garage.
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I have a Mercedes SLK 280. The car is brand new
You will probably have to do the service at Merc to meet the warranty terms. I also seem to remember that the newer Mercs (from 2000 onwards) don't have a dipstick anymore so you have to be sure that you have put the correct amount of oil in. Too little is no problem as the bord computer tells you to top it up. However, too much oil can be a problem.

By the way, you have bought a brand new SLK. Why are you so worried about spending 200CHF for the service?
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You will probably have to do the service at Merc to meet the warranty terms. I also seem to remember that the newer Mercs (from 2000 onwards) don't have a dipstick anymore so you have to be sure that you have put the correct amount of oil in. Too little is no problem as the bord computer tells you to top it up. However, too much oil can be a problem.

By the way, you have bought a brand new SLK. Why are you so worried about spending 200CHF for the service?
Like I said in my original post, the CHF200 ain't nothing. It's a question of justification which I'm slowly familiarizing myself with.
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Called my car brand dealerships in town for a price quotation for an oil change for the first time "in die Schwiiz" and got a CHF100 to CHF200 range...just for an oil change!!! This is legalized swindling to me.

I mean, I used to pay $39.95 to $59.95 tops back in NYC and they even throw in a free car wash plus topping off the windshield washer fluid.

Given, CHF200 ain't nothing and it's a different country with her own ways BUT I just can't get it in my head.

I guess my question will be:

Is Oil Change service that "pricey" around here?
If you think thats bad, check this out: (its for a 1991 300E)

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Ein Oel-/ Filterwechsel kostet vorbehältlich Werkstatttest folgendes:

Arbeit: CHF 169.00
Kleinmaterial: CHF 8.45
7.5 Liter Motorex LowSAPS à CHF 26.00= CHF 195.00
Oelfilter: CHF 18.40
Dichtring: CHF 1.15
Total exkl. MWSt. : CHF 392.00
7.6% MWSt. : CHF 29.80

Total inkl. MWSt. : CHF 421.80

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Old 24.10.2010, 09:34
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Re: Oil Change

The oil itself doesn't looks that pricey to me, but depends on brand of course. But the labor is insane. In my home country every car garage will change oil for free if you buy the oil and filter from them as they get pretty big discounts from the oil suppliers (like 30% or so).

Anyway, one thing that I feel is important is if you want to do it yourself, be conscious of what oil you put in. Not just the brand, also viscosity, manufacturer specifications have to match, car age should be taken into account etc. So even though changing is easy enough, care is needed in putting the right oil in.
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If you think thats bad, check this out: (its for a 1991 300E)

Sehr geehrter Herr

Ein Oel-/ Filterwechsel kostet vorbehältlich Werkstatttest folgendes:

Arbeit: CHF 169.00
Kleinmaterial: CHF 8.45
7.5 Liter Motorex LowSAPS à CHF 26.00= CHF 195.00
Oelfilter: CHF 18.40
Dichtring: CHF 1.15
Total exkl. MWSt. : CHF 392.00
7.6% MWSt. : CHF 29.80

Total inkl. MWSt. : CHF 421.80

Wir hoffen, Ihnen mit diesen Angaben zu dienen und freuen uns auf eine
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Hmm. I recently changed my oil myself. 5 mins to drive in, place the container, remove the sump plug.

30 mins wait for the oil to completely drain (I normallly put in a few cc's of fresh oil to wash the old stuff through - probably a waste based on paranoia).

10 mins to remove filter and replace with new.

5 mins replace sump plug with new washer.

5 mins fill with new oil

Total time 55 mins

Oil cost 7 litres at 28 CHF litre = CHF 161
Filter = CHF 26.00
Washer = CHF 3.00

So doesn't look that far off to me - but no idea what the Kleinmaterial is (tissue, rags, oil cleaning fluid???).

The labour cost looks like it includes the waiting time for the oil to drain though. Our Nissan garage has a standard cost of 160 CHF an hour! Which is why I do most things myself .
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Re: Oil Change

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So doesn't look that far off to me - but no idea what the Kleinmaterial is (tissue, rags, oil cleaning fluid???).

The labour cost looks like it includes the waiting time for the oil to drain though. Our Nissan garage has a standard cost of 160 CHF an hour! Which is why I do most things myself .
I agree that it is inline with "Swiss prices," I just cant get over the fact that it is 4.5 times what I'm used to paying.

As for the oil, a 5L jug of Castrol GTX 10w40 can be had for 42,80CHF on autoteile-meile.ch.

I guess I'm just spoiled by low prices. Car maintenance is not something I have ever had to budget for.

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I have a Mercedes SLK 280. The car is brand new and it's manual said I need an oil change and filter at 20K km but the odometer is barely over 11K km and the system computer is recommending an oil change.
One of the most important parameter which defines oils quality is time. Usually you change your oil when it passed kilometrange or passed some time interval.

For most new cars you change oil each 30k km or each one year: whatever comes first. I assume your computer is just checking for time.
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Re: Oil Change

Topic bump... my OH just went to Germany for an oil change and came back with a 195 EUR bill. I was really shocked, but judging from this topic it is a normal price??

Luckily we also have to do it once every 20.000 kms but next time I'll make sure it is part of the regular service.

(Last time we had the oil changed, it happened to be in Holland and it cost 70-80 EUR...)
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Re: Oil Change

Oil is just as expensive in Germany so you can only save on labor and FX favorability.
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Depends on your car and the oil really
Audii S4 : 250 Euros (Belgium non dealer)
Bmw Diesel: 195 Euros same place
VW Golf: 160 Euros
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Oil is just as expensive in Germany so you can only save on labor and FX favorability.
Go to France it's half the price or less at supermarkets I am talking about high quality synthetics .
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Luckily we also have to do it once every 20.000 kms but next time I'll make sure it is part of the regular service.
Part of the reason you can get away with 20K service intervals is that they specify high-quality synthetic oil. If you tried to go 20K on the cheap oil they use at Jiffy Lube type places, your engine would be shot.
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Re: Oil Change

Next time go to ATU for the change and buy your own oil. Should be around 100e or so.
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Thats only the first oil change as the car is "being run in" they need to get rid of all the metal shavings from all the parts moving. Normally it is at 5-7 for a brand new car.


The one thing that does bother me and I liked in the US was the speed which with it was done. Here the car needs to go in for a full day. there you just sit around for an hour or so and you are on your way....

Btw my jeep (diesel) is 20 k
I have not seem oil change at say 3,000 Kms after purchase brand new for about 20 years.
I always do oil changes on brand new cars at 3,000 Kms. and generally do not take them above 3500 rpm until then.

Always use Fully Synthetic Oil and change regularly.
I always change at 15,000 Kms.
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