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Old 13.03.2012, 16:08
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Well.....this specific oil can be purchased online for as little as CHF 13,10 per litre so next time it will be a DIY job
Where do you get it online?

I used to get a good deal at the motorcycle shop where my daughter was doing her apprenticeship, but she is no longer there.

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Old 13.03.2012, 16:40
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Where do you get it online?

I used to get a good deal at the motorcycle shop where my daughter was doing her apprenticeship, but she is no longer there.

Tom
Here...... which is a reifen-direkt affiliate.

If you order from their German web site it is cheaper but you need a German delivery address.
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Old 13.03.2012, 16:49
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Here...... which is a reifen-direkt affiliate.

If you order from their German web site it is cheaper but you need a German delivery address.

Last time I had an oil change it was done by auto teile ungar who have a small chain here; just booked & they did while I waited. I think it was less than 100chf & my car takes 15L.....
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Last time I had an oil change it was done by auto teile ungar who have a small chain here; just booked & they did while I waited. I think it was less than 100chf & my car takes 15L.....
"auto teile ungar" is the same as ATU I think but correct me if I am wrong.

An oil change with filter and Castrol LongLife oil (up to 4,5 litre) is 149 CHF.

If you prefer semi-synthetic or mineral oil the price goes down. A woman came in with a Citroen C4 and was charged CHF 90.

I am quite happy with their work as they drained off the old oil as opposed to sucking it up and they took a quick glance as my brakes (for additional business opportunity.... I know but anyway) and they resat the service indicator.
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"auto teile ungar" is the same as ATU I think but correct me if I am wrong.

An oil change with filter and Castrol LongLife oil (up to 4,5 litre) is 149 CHF.

If you prefer semi-synthetic or mineral oil the price goes down. A woman came in with a Citroen C4 and was charged CHF 90.

I am quite happy with their work as they drained off the old oil as opposed to sucking it up and they took a quick glance as my brakes (for additional business opportunity.... I know but anyway) and they resat the service indicator.
ATU is correct

My 30 year old Porsche requires 15/50 mineral oil
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Old 13.03.2012, 23:14
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ATU is correct

My 30 year old Porsche requires 15/50 mineral oil
I use morotcycle oil, it's exactly the right spec SG or SF 15/50 .All Road legal car oils don't really suit an air colled 911!
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Old 13.03.2012, 23:25
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I use morotcycle oil, it's exactly the right spec SG or SF 15/50 .All Road legal car oils don't really suit an air colled 911!
I have a water cooled 928 5 litre V8, for that is the 15/50 motor oil ideal.
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Old 13.03.2012, 23:31
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I have a water cooled 928 5 litre V8, for that is the 15/50 motor oil ideal.
15/50 Oil I think is the only oil that does not have to be so clean to the enviroment as other grades.
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...4-sm-oils.html
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Old 14.03.2012, 12:36
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15/50 Oil I think is the only oil that does not have to be so clean to the enviroment as other grades.
A long discussion
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...4-sm-oils.html
Umm.....the grade 15/50 only relates to the viscosity and viscosity index which is the oils ability to maintain the viscosity at different temperatures.

When a "W" is added, like in 5W-30, it means it is a winter grade tested at cold temperatures also. You want on of those if you use your vehicle all year around in CH.

Regarding the quality of the oil (detergency, dispersency etc.) different other quality denominations are used and they refer to various organizations such as API, ILSAC and ACEA.
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Old 14.03.2012, 14:12
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Umm.....the grade 15/50 only relates to the viscosity and viscosity index which is the oils ability to maintain the viscosity at different temperatures.

When a "W" is added, like in 5W-30, it means it is a winter grade tested at cold temperatures also. You want on of those if you use your vehicle all year around in CH.

Regarding the quality of the oil (detergency, dispersency etc.) different other quality denominations are used and they refer to various organizations such as API, ILSAC and ACEA.
If you run an old 911 on 5w30 and drive hard the cam shafts will wear very very quickly, 30 year old engines have been damaged in 1 race...... Modern oils are not suitable, 15/50 does not have to pass the stringent clean tests of modern oils. Also you will have many oil leeks!
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If you run an old 911 on 5w30 and drive hard the cam shafts will wear very very quickly, 30 year old engines have been damaged in 1 race...... Modern oils are not suitable, 15/50 does not have to pass the stringent clean tests of modern oils. Also you will have many oil leeks!
Yes, I cannot use the same oil in my 27 year old Guzzis as I can in my modern Ducatis, if I don't use 10/60 in the Guzzis the rear main seal will leak, even with a new seal.

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Old 14.03.2012, 14:59
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If you run an old 911 on 5w30 and drive hard the cam shafts will wear very very quickly, 30 year old engines have been damaged in 1 race...... Modern oils are not suitable, 15/50 does not have to pass the stringent clean tests of modern oils. Also you will have many oil leeks!
OK....I did not in any way imply that you could

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Yes, I cannot use the same oil in my 27 year old Guzzis as I can in my modern Ducatis, if I don't use 10/60 in the Guzzis the rear main seal will leak, even with a new seal.

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Castrol had a 10/60 racing oil that I used upto about 8 years ago when they improved the formulation!
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Castrol had a 10/60 racing oil that I used upto about 8 years ago when they improved the formulation!
That's what I usually use.

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Old 14.03.2012, 17:35
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10w60 is the preserve of the M-Engines.

My old Alpina used to run on 0w30 - and used to drink oil - although not beyond accepted tolerances. Owners had switched to 10w60 - reduced oil consumption.

The face the new Alpina goes 25,000km on 0w30 is astonishing in my view.
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That's what I usually use.

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I believe the Phosphorus & Zinc content is too low for an older vehicle, its API SN/CF

From Wikipedia
"Most engines built before 1985 have the flat/cleave bearing style systems of construction, which is sensitive to reducing zinc and phosphorus. Example; in API SG rated oils, this was at the 1200-1300 ppm level for zinc and phosphorus, where the current SM is under 600 ppm. This reduction in anti-wear chemicals in oil has caused premature failures of camshafts and other high pressure bearings in many older automobiles and has been blamed for pre-mature failure of the oil pump drive/cam position sensor gear that is meshed with camshaft gear in some modern engines."
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ENI (formerly AGIP) has iRide 10W/60, API SG/ JASO MA,MA2

Got some last year on sale at a Guzzi raduno in Mandello d. L., EUR 10/liter.

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Can someone help?
In Basel Land I could find "oil vaccums" (a machine that sucks the oil from the engine). I am looking for it around Zug but I could not find any. Does someone know by any chance if it is available somewhere? Zug, Zürich, Aargau would be the best.
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Re: Oil Change

Does anybody here duct tape a strong magnet onto the oil filter? It attracts all the ultra-fine particulate that would pass through the filter pores, and then you dispose of it when you swap out the filter and switch the magnet to the new one...

...supposedly.
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Old 03.02.2015, 21:11
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Does anybody here duct tape a strong magnet onto the oil filter? It attracts all the ultra-fine particulate that would pass through the filter pores, and then you dispose of it when you swap out the filter and switch the magnet to the new one...

...supposedly.
You mean on the outside of the filter? I suppose if it is a strong magnet then it would tend to stay in position anyway?
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