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Eurostar to offer direct services to Amsterdam and Geneva

Just spotted this in the Torygraph. Good news and about time. Have to wait till 2014 though.
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Good news. Thanks.
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Re: Eurostar to offer direct services to Amsterdam and Geneva

What's the quickest you can currently do to London from Geneva or Lausanne, changing in Paris, Lyon or Lille?

Does anybody travel to the UK by train very often?
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What's the quickest you can currently do to London from Geneva or Lausanne, changing in Paris, Lyon or Lille?
Seven hours.
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Re: Eurostar to offer direct services to Amsterdam and Geneva

This site is very useful for working out European routes, checking prices, choosing the best seats, etc:

http://www.seat61.com/

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What's the quickest you can currently do to London from Geneva or Lausanne, changing in Paris, Lyon or Lille?

Does anybody travel to the UK by train very often?
I've done Lausanne-Essex by train and really enjoyed it, the only real hassle was having to transfer between stations: coming from Geneva or Lausanne you arrive in Paris at Gare de Lyon and the Eurostars leave from Gare du Nord. You can get a metro, but it does mean you can't do a quick transfer, and you won't want to be bogged down with luggage.

You can get schedule information for journeys to the UK on the SBB website. To verify this I typed in Grindelwald-Grimsby and found out that the shortest connection is around 14 hours and requires seven changes. (Not that I'm planning on taking this trip, but I'm impressed that I could find out this information so easily.)

If you shop around online you can often find good deals on TGV and Eurostar tickets, especially if you buy in advance and travel during off-peak times. Admittedly, it will almost certainly be cheaper to fly to the UK, but I think the overland/undersea journey is worth doing at least once.

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Re: Eurostar to offer direct services to Amsterdam and Geneva

That's great news that you could go direct to London without having to change in Paris - I don't mind having to change trains, it's having to change stations that makes it inconvenient at the moment.

If you do use the current option involving changing in Paris, then it's good if you can schedule it so that you have time for a meal in Paris during your change: Breakfast in Switzerland, lunch in Paris, and dinner in England makes it a fun day out However, it is far from being quick.

Aside from sometimes having to change stations within a big city, the other big problem with cross-European train travel at the moment is ticketing. You normally have to buy tickets from separate operators, and so trying to figure out which is the best route, cheapest ticket, etc., often requires a PhD in logistics. If the train companies want to grab a significant portion of the short-haul flight market then they need to get together and figure out some sort of central ticketing system that makes that aspect of train travel far less difficult. I know you can go into your local train station and have the people there help you out, but that is nowhere near as simple or fast as typing a couple of things into Easyjet.com and waiting 5 seconds for the results. As said above, the seat61 website is very useful, but this sort of thing is not needed for air travel because that has already been made extremely easy.
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Just spotted this in the Torygraph. Good news and about time. Have to wait till 2014 though.
But I guess it will go via Paris so won't people still have to change from Gare du Nord to Gare de l'Est to continue their journey to Switzerland? If so then this is still a major nuisance.
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But I guess it will go via Paris so won't people still have to change from Gare du Nord to Gare de l'Est to continue their journey to Switzerland? If so then this is still a major nuisance.
I think that's the point - this will be a direct service. How else would they be able to target a 5 hour travel time? Plus, if you still had to change at those two stations, then this would not be a new service. There are tracks connecting the two stations, I'm assuming they're planning to use them, or to bypass one of the stations altogether.
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But I guess it will go via Paris so won't people still have to change from Gare du Nord to Gare de l'Est to continue their journey to Switzerland? If so then this is still a major nuisance.
As ChrisW points out, this will be direct. There are already direct services from London to Marseilles in the summer (once a week, I believe) and there are winter weekend direct ski services to, I think, Grenoble.

The route is already there, it by-passes the centre of Paris altogether.

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Re: Eurostar to offer direct services to Amsterdam and Geneva

Times change! When I came to Switzerland by train from London in 1985 (no Easyjet then!), it took 24 bours.
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I've done Lausanne-Essex by train and really enjoyed it, the only real hassle was having to transfer between stations: coming from Geneva or Lausanne you arrive in Paris at Gare de Lyon and the Eurostars leave from Gare du Nord. You can get a metro, but it does mean you can't do a quick transfer, and you won't want to be bogged down with luggage.

You can get schedule information for journeys to the UK on the SBB website. To verify this I typed in Grindelwald-Grimsby and found out that the shortest connection is around 14 hours and requires seven changes. (Not that I'm planning on taking this trip, but I'm impressed that I could find out this information so easily.)

If you shop around online you can often find good deals on TGV and Eurostar tickets, especially if you buy in advance and travel during off-peak times. Admittedly, it will almost certainly be cheaper to fly to the UK, but I think the overland/undersea journey is worth doing at least once.

Anyway.

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About "You can get a metro" - taxis are relatively cheap in Paris (versus Switzerland) - less than 20 euro.
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Re: Eurostar to offer direct services to Amsterdam and Geneva

Wish there was some news on this... Wonder if it'll kick off around January, middle of the year or when the CFF kick off their 2015 schedule mid December?
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Times change! When I came to Switzerland by train from London in 1985 (no Easyjet then!), it took 24 bours.
Once upon a time, in 1959 to be exact, I left Zurich at 07.00 with the then TEE (Trans European Express). This arrived in Paris at about 13.30. I then walked to the Gare du Nord (I think it was) caught the next train to Calais and travelled on the ferry to Folkstone - train to London - and I was home in north London at about 21.30.

It amazed me for many years after the TEE was withdrawn that there was nothing comparable. Only since Eurostar has there been a faster service.
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Re: Eurostar to offer direct services to Amsterdam and Geneva

Mhhh.... Eurostar are running their winter offers from London to Vallorbe/Aigle/various places in Valais with a change in Lille and apparently not Paris (via Marne-La-Vallée I guess). It'd be nice if it was bookable the other way!
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Re: Eurostar to offer direct services to Amsterdam and Geneva

http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulli...14/03/eurostar (Those with an FT account can view their article too)

Eurostar are buying 10 900 seat high speed train so they can expand their network... But still no news on the definitive routes.
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Re: Eurostar to offer direct services to Amsterdam and Geneva

Bump!

It's official, from the 14th of December the TGV Lyria runs direct from Geneva to Lille via Marne-la-Vallée taking around 4h15-4h30, with 30-40mins connection time to get on the Eurostar. All info here: http://en.voyages-sncf.com/en/. You can leave Geneva at 8:30 and be in London St Pancras by 14:10 localtime! Schedules at the bottom of this page: http://tgv-lyria.ch.voyages-sncf.com...in-responsable. I've booked this for Christmas as a test run and I'll update once the ride is done. Runs from Geneva only, but so fast it looks like it'll beat the usual airport delays at Christmas. And you're sitting in a seat that doesn't kill your knees, all the way through, arriving downtown and not miles out.

Eurostar have announced two new routes, one to Amsterdam, one to Marseille but that's not terribly useful to us, and that's from May 2015.
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It's official, from the 14th of December the TGV Lyria runs direct from Geneva to Lille via Marne-la-Vallée taking around 4h15-4h30, with 30-40mins connection time to get on the Eurostar. All info here: http://en.voyages-sncf.com/en/. You can leave Geneva at 8:30 and be in London St Pancras by 14:10 localtime! Schedules at the bottom of this page: http://tgv-lyria.ch.voyages-sncf.com...in-responsable. I've booked this for Christmas as a test run and I'll update once the ride is done. Runs from Geneva only, but so fast it looks like it'll beat the usual airport delays at Christmas. And you're sitting in a seat that doesn't kill your knees, all the way through, arriving downtown and not miles out.

Eurostar have announced two new routes, one to Amsterdam, one to Marseille but that's not terribly useful to us, and that's from May 2015.
Wow that is fast. And of course Marne La Vallée is the stop for Disney Land Paris, so great for families.

Have fun.
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Re: Eurostar to offer direct services to Amsterdam and Geneva

So I've tested this ride, and it's GOOD. If taking 6-8 hours for your travel door to door from .ch to .uk is your norm, then this is very easy, very comfortable, and runs on time. I left at 7:30 from my home in downtown Lausanne (pedestrian zone), got the 7:45 to Geneva and was on the 8:30 TGV to Lille with ten minutes to spare. Quiet and speedy, no messing around standing in long queues. Since it was first class, breakfast was included, and very nice too.

Changing in Lille was a breeze, although that supposed 30 minute before and limit on check-in seemed unnecessary. A lot of people arrived after that. You will have to have your bags scanned and pass a security portal after passport control, but the queue 3 people. Not 300.

Getting to the Eurostar hall is just a question of walking down a long overpass, following the Union Jack signs. It's just a straight line really from the TGV. Once again food was served with wine, roast beef this time. For those who dare roam to be always connected, yes this works in the Chunnel and just about the whole trip. I got off at Ebbsfleet for my pub lunch at 13:45 GMT. So around 7 hours in all. Did I have to sweat anywhere ? Nope.

Travelling back from Reading via St Pancras was easy too, despite the Tube works. Lots of walking and a lack of lifts / escalators on that Hammersmith & City Line from Paddington but there you go. Not Eurostar's fault and you do that anyway in London. We left at 12:58, and I was in Geneva by 20:15. Not a single problem on the way, no lost luggage and time to deal with more important things, like a new book. You could argue that 25€ each way for food and wine is a bit much but compared to airlines... And the seats are LARGE and afford a bit of privacy, recline quite a bit, and leave you satisfied.

I'll be doing this again, if the difference with $airline is less than 100CHF. Maybe even 150CHF...
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How long exactly to the Purple Turtle?
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