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Old 06.02.2012, 13:26
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Re: Wild camping allowed?

Continuing my search, I thought I would list my finds here.

First, a list of the laws about "nature et paysage" in Valais <click>
One might read for example in the " 451.321 Décision concernant la protection du site du lac de Morgins", under "Art 4. Interdictions", that camping is forbidden.

On the OFEV map I previously linked, the surroundings of Lac de Morgins are indeed highlighted, appearing as "Inventaires fédéraux: Bas-marais" (=low wetlands).
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First, a list of the laws about "nature et paysage" in Valais <click>
One might read for example in the " 451.321 Décision concernant la protection du site du lac de Morgins", under "Art 4. Interdictions", that camping is forbidden.
It says that camping is forbidden, but it doesn't say anything about bivouacing. Juristically bivouacing and camping are different terms in Switzerland.

The laws about camping and bivouacing are ambiguous and it is impossible to find an exact answer to the question of wild camping in Switzerland. And there is not a lot of practical information about this question on the Internet. The most comprehensible source of information about wild camping in the Alps I managed to find is this article (in Russian).

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First of all about the terms. Juristically there are three of them, however the definitions of the terms are ambiguous and vary from country to country.

1. Kampieren - spending a night in a mobile shelter (tent, tarp, car, and etc.). This is a definition from the Tiroler Campinggesetz 2001.

2. Biwakieren - having a rest stop or spending a night without a mobile shelter (sleeping out under the stars, snow shelter, and etc.) However in Switzerland and Austria biwakieren also includes sleeping in a tent (or a tarp) for a short period of time above a treeline.

3. Zelten - this is the most ambiguous term and roughly it means living in a mobile shelter (as I understand 'living' means camping for several days in a same spot).

In Switzerland bivouacs are officially forbidden only in Obwalden. In other places there are no official regulations that prohibit bivouacing, except for protected sites. There are the following kinds of protected sites.

1. Nationalpark
2. Naturpark
3. Naturschutzgebiet
4. Biosphärenpark
5. Sonderschutzgebiet

Nationalparks have the highest degree of protection with high fines. Bivouacs a stricly forbidden, except in emergency cases. In Switzerland there is only one national park - Schweizerischer Nationalpark in Engandin. Naturparks have the same degree of protection as nationalparks (meaning that bivouacs are forbidden), but with lower fines. Other kinds of protected sites have varying degree of protection and may allow or prohibit bivouacs (depending on the site).

To avoid problems when bivouacing the article recommends the following principles.

- A bivouac should be above a treeline away from a forested area.
- A bivouac should be set up late enough (usually just before or after a sunset) and broken early (before or just after a sunrise).
- It is better to find a site protected from people eyes, like terrain depressions, behind big boulders. You may find such places before a trip using 1:25,000 maps.
- A group should be of a small size, the lesser the number of tents the better.
- Don't make any loud noises when bivouacing.
- No fires.
- Be careful with sources of light. A light signal repeated 6 times a minute in every two minutes means SOS. This may lead to the appearance of a rescue team on the site, in which case you will also have to pay a substantial sum for calling the team (even though you didn't need it).
- A bivouac should be away from huts with guardians. Note that sometimes guardians allow you to bivouac near their hut, if you ask them politely, especially, if you pay for some services of the hut (like buying a dinner).
- Always ask for a permission of a landowner if bivouacing on a private land.
- Follow 'leave no trace' principles.
- Avoid shelters with bright colors.

The principles above apply only for a high season which lasts approximately from the middle of June to the middle of October when trails and huts are packed with people. During late autumn, winter, and spring the chances of being caught by a forest ranger approach zero. Moreover, even during high season if you happen to be found camping, most likely you will be just asked to leave the site.
For additional information check the following links:
Biwakieren und Campieren
Übernachtung im Zelt - ein Erfahrungsaustausch
Wilderness camping (even though it's about camping in Germany some information applies to Switzerland)

Now, some information based on my personal experience. I always follow principles described above and have never had an encounter with a forest ranger. I find that it's possible to safely camp in a forest below a treeline (but high enough from bottoms of valleys) or in a protected site as long as I setup bivouac after dusk with a minimum use of a headlamp (sometimes I don't use it at all) in a well hidden site away from trails and leave the site as it was before the bivouac (leave no trace). During late autumn and winter most huts are closed or not guarded and I have never seen anyone in the mountains after 5pm, so an encounter with a ranger is a very unlikely event and I relax my approach to bivouacing by putting up a tent before a sunset and may be close to huts. Moreover, during winter you have an opportunity to build snow shelters (like snowcaves, dugloos, quinzhees) which are hard to detect and are more cozy and comfortable then tents.

Even though wild camping is not a Swiss thing as most people prefer hikes or ski tours for a day or with staying in huts, there are some Swiss who prefer to spend a night outside a hut (check for example the following webpage showing some photos of bivouacs by a Swiss photographer).

For me bivouacing is a major part of my trips which completes my 'wilderness' experience in the mountains. To finish the post here are some photos of my bivouacs in the Alps:
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Re: Wild camping allowed?

Switzerland: "Get Natural"*

*Getting natural does not include camping in nature, only walking through it or staying in a designated hut. Nature must only be gotten between the hours of 8am-8pm. Proper hiking boots must be worn at all times and can be purchased locally starting at 400chf. Failure to observe these rules will bring about fines, stares from onlookers, and a stern head shaking from the proper authorities. Usw usw usw.…
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Re: Wild camping allowed?

I would say bivoacs are allowed everywhere except in public areas (i.e. camping out on Park Avenue to buy the latest iPhone) and where forbidden: private property and places where you endanger yourself, others, or the environment by camping there (usually this is why camping by water is forbidden: people drink that and it shouldn't be fouled).

In general bivoacs are short stays where nothing in the environment is disturbed: you don't cut down trees, branches, start fires, leave behind trash, and the like. Except for the area where your tent/sleeping bag slightly disturbed the ground your presense should not be easily noticed.

Camping is longer term and involves altering the environment: cutting tree and branches, starting fires, and other 'comfort' things done.

So when you hear you can 'camp' or anywhere else in Switzerland be sure they mean 'bivoac'.

To put it in military terms: invading forces 'camp', special forces 'bivoac'.

In Kentucky we call towns that sprung up around coalmines 'camps' (eg Lynn Camp) and we all know that isn't what we mean by camping.

Anyway, I plan on taking a leisurely hike from Austria to France in the Alps myself soon. I have the 'lightweight' tent, towels, and clothes needed but it's been 6 years since I made such a trip.

So my questions is: What is the latest and greatest 'camping food'? I am now vegan so my large stash of US Army rations is not appetizing anymore. I'm also not going to haul around my stash of sternos left over from my days in Switzerland that are usually used to heat fondue.

So it's room temperature 'vegan' stuff. I was hoping for Seitan or other things like that packed for hiking. Usually though that means way overpriced too. Is it best just to make my vittles myself?

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Switzerland: "Get Natural"*

*Getting natural does not include camping in nature, only walking through it or staying in a designated hut. Nature must only be gotten between the hours of 8am-8pm. Proper hiking boots must be worn at all times and can be purchased locally starting at 400chf. Failure to observe these rules will bring about fines, stares from onlookers, and a stern head shaking from the proper authorities. Usw usw usw.…

LOL, yes, makes sure you don't camp right outside the door of the local Hut or other tourist attraction.
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Re: Wild camping allowed?

We called the police to ask about wild camping and they told us that every village has their own rules about it. It's allowed in many places for one night and polite to ask the owner of the property if can camp on his farm or near his home. He then said that he camped freely all the time. As long as you are out of the way and don't make a mess he thought most locals wouldn't mind, even when the village code says it's not allowed. If someone were to call him and complain, as a police officer, he would try to talk to the people complaining and wouldn't fine anyone for just pitching a tent in the wild.

My husband and I have wild camped quite a number of times and never had any problems. When we were near someone's property and wanted to build a fire, we'd ask for permission and were always allowed.
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Re: Wild camping allowed?

It turns out that in France a bivouac is a one night stay from 19h to 9h. Anything else is camping. There are signs in national parks stating that camping is forbidden (crossed picture of a tent) and bivouacs are allowed (picture of a tent with 19h-9h time interval). For example, you may find such signs in the Ecrins.



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You may try vegetarian recipes from backpacking light site. Also 'Ultralight Backpacking Tips' has several vegetarian recipes.
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Re: Wild camping allowed?

Thanks, I knew it was French and that I spell it wrong. I was guessing it might have been adapted from the French Foreign Legion.
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