I have to tinker wit IT devices all day as part of my job - so at home, I just want things to work :-) But I can definitely see the fun in it - it's just not for me.

what about the htc flyer? that also looks like an interesting device. i had a dream about the nook color last night. i think i'm going insane.

yeah. i need to make one modification so that a specific software i use works on it. and also i refuse to use a device which blasts adverts at me, so i also need to change that.

Personally, I just prefer a 10" screen - but a part from that, the Flyer looks rather promising. I think it's up for pre-ordering on Digitec already

Peter

iPad 2 is a powerful animal it seems!

Thinner than an iPhone

According to this article.

http://www.androidcentral.com/will-h...t-run-properly

and the Samsung Tab does not have a dual core. The 10.1 version will.

Cheers,
Honeycomb Harry

i'd prefer the battery not to run down twice as quickly!

I can't believe you had a Milestone and will still consider the Motorola Xoom. Motorola not only release their products missing crucial features, but then take an absolute age to update them. Their Android 2.2 update for the Milestone STILL isnt on official release yet. They a company with awful support who have consistently failed to deliver to their customers in Europe. I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole again, especially something as pricey as the Xoom.

I also had a Galaxy S and can tell you that Samsung is even worse in this respect. It took them a whole year to fix the lag issues and unless you hacked your way into the thing, you're probably still stuck with a paper-weight.

The Xoom does differ from the Milestone in one basic aspect: the software isn't altered, it comes directly from and is maintained directly by Google. So I'm really not worried about upgrades here.

And btw: I really liked the Milestone :-) I sold it because it had a slow processor.

Of course, the other issue is that there simply aren't any other Honeycomb tablets out there. Samsung won't be releasing their Tab 10.1 until the 3rd or even the 4th quarter this year.

The Galaxy S is much better... not only in terms of hardware (which blows the Milestone out of the water), but it had flash and Android 2.2 released way before the Milestone (which still has neither). The only real problem with the Galaxy S barring the cache issue was the flakey GPS. Id still have one over a Milestone any day of the wek... Motorola has the worst support of any major handset manufacturer.

Well, it hardly surprises that the SGS is better hardware-wise, as it was released about 9 months after the Milestone (which has long since been discontinued, btw.).

I had the SGS and found it the worst piece of crap I ever owned, in terms of software supplied with it. As a matter of fact - the SGS was the first device (of any kind) I ever bought, that was so useless that I literally kept it in the drawer for almost half a year. There was absolutely no support whatsoever from Samsung. They never even acknowledged the massive lag problems - until they fixed them 13 months after the phone's release. It took them about 6 months after the release of 2.2 until it finally became available for the SGS (inofficially, of course - the official update was pulled again about a week after it was released).

Peter

Well, I have two (very tech savvy) colleagues that are inseparable from their SGS's and dont stop raving about them, so I know which id prefer. However, what I do know beyond any doubt is I will never buy another Moto. Awful, awful company.

hopefully the xoom won't have the locked problems of the milestone. i think it is meant to have a stock honeycomb implementation and be developer unlockable (voids warranty).

i'm pretty happy with the samsung tab i just bought. the touchwiz interface is crap and i hate the color scheme they put into it, but the touchwiz is easily removed.

i haven't experienced any issue with lag on this, but can convert the filesystem to ext if required to fix it. i found the bundled samsung apps to be surprisingly good (low expectations) even if not to my taste.

Phil, I think they're refering to the chips not the fish.

So... You've never owner a Windows PC then?

Thanks Richdog.

The more I read about the two Xoom vs. Samsung, the more I'm leaning towards the Samsung. You've made some very vaild points in your posts here. Especially:

Market presence - Motorola not in CH, Samsung is.
Upgrade - Motorola slower, Samsung quicker.
(Too) Quick to Market - Motorola doesn't finish off their products, missing features, Samsung tends to be better I think?
Hardware - Motorola build "quality" vs Samsung.
Maintenance - what happens if something breaks? Samsung should fare better.
Service - Looked up service on the Motorola website and get a 404 page not found.

You're (very tech savvy) colleagues also have the benefit of two devices in one - phone plus pad. Although a (very tech savvy) colleague of mine has one and looks like a ride plonker when talking to it.

Don't forget, until Summer a number of tablets will emerge (around 50 I think, Acer, HP, etc.). So maybe it's prudent to play a waiting game and see which one comes up trumps before commiting, by which time the (partly exhorbitant) prices may have fallen.

Also annonced, the Olipad...

Murderous Black Tegra 2 Android Tablet Coming March 7th


http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/5...d-tablet-froyo

Cheers,
Harry

It would really surprise me if prices would fall significantly.
Apple has basically bought up most of the fab-output for 2011 of crucial components (Flash storage, panels etc.).
Anything these companies produce in excess and other big contracts will be sold at a premium.

Apple has no intention of lowering their prices - and unless the competition sells at a loss, I don't see them lowering theirs, either.

A tablet is a very handy gadget but
Tablet prices at the moment are quite high.

If you don't want to invest in something that you will find at a half a price in 6 months buy this
http://en.store.creative.com/enterta...948-20230.aspx

I do have a samsung tablet with Android and I must say is not moving very fast. Basically is a phone processor speed. Works fine for internet, office things, but is quite disappointment concerning playing movies, games etc.

I have no doubt that by December we can get affordable tablets with good specifications.

P.S. I have one because I need to test programs...I am a programmer

- Market presence: Samsung is theoretically in Switzerland but their phone department isn't. Inquiries are handled through Samsung Austria, repairs are done in other countries as well. -> no advantage

- Upgrade: not true. Samsung and Motorola both equally suck in terms of upgradeability of their devices. With Samsung, in addition to the fact that they're extremely slow with releasing updates (unless you use leaked unofficial ones - which is always a possibility with the Xoom as well, since it comes with an unlockable bootloader), you have to install the upgrade through their god-awful piece of s**t desktop software "Kies" because Samsung apparently don't believe in OTA updates.

- Too quick to market: think again. Samsung's flagship phone (the Galaxy S) was a complete and utter shambles when it was released because it had massive low-level file-system driver issues that weren't resolved until a year after the phone was released. I had the Milestone and it worked flawlessly for me - it's now an obsolete and old piece of chunk but hey, it was released almost two years ago and has long been discontinued.

- build quality was excellent for the Milestone. Both the Galaxy S and the Galaxy Tab are plastic bombers. I don't really have an issue with that but it'd hardly be fair to say that Samsung, in general, produces higher build quality. Also, neither of us has tried a Xoom and neither of us has ever used a Tab 10.1 so comparing build quality is a bit premature.

- Maintenance: again: Samsung does NOT fare better, as I had to experience myself, very painfully. When I reported the lag-problem my (and every other SGS) was showing when it was first released, it took Samsung about 2 weeks to respond. The response came in from Austria. They prompted me to send the phone to Digitec, who would then forward it to their repair facility in Poland (it was, I believe). Turn-around time: 4-6 weeks. I doubt Motorola is slower than that.
I never sent mine in because by the time I had received the response from Samsung, it was already clear that all SGSs had the same problems.

I'm not trying to say that the Xoom is a better device than the 10.1 - I really don't know. But saying that Samsung has a better track-record in terms of build-quality, QC and customer-support is a bit of a joke, really - just do some research on google.

Peter