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And yet ironically Microsoft has a stronger reputation for security than apple nowadays.
windows has been a big target and went through a few episodes. they are probably just under a decade ahead of apple in terms of security.

one thing to be said for apple: they do good security propaganda/marketing.
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- Am I asking for trouble by doing this -i.e. now everything is apple and inegrate easily, whereas in the future, the pcs would be aligned, but I guess mobiles may continue to be IOS etc etc.

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Win 7 plays nicely with all your apple stuff, that's not going to be an issue. You can simply copy over your entire iTunes library and continue using it on your PC.
The problem with migrating to Windows isn't Windows 7 or your Apple-made accessories. It's finding a computer that works. I've been trying to move to windows for a little over a year now and so far it has been total misery. I've gone through 3 Dell XPs 14z (all of which had crooked cases and wouldn't sit on the desk evenly), 2 Samsung Chronos, both of which had faulty fans, and 2 HP Spectres (returned the second one yesterday for a refund), both of which had faulty screens (looked like something was pushing against the panel from the back, causing the same rippling effect you get from pushing your thumb on an LCD screen - except that it was there constantly). Now I'm back to square one and still working on my 13 inch MBP. So good luck finding a decent windows computer that has a usable trackpad, a decent screen, doesn't come with a fan that drives you nuts, doesn't have a vibrating hard drive, doesn't fall apart just from looking at it AND doesn't have any major manufacturing defects.

Don't get me wrong: I'm no Apple fan. Also, I find MS Office on Mac OS X completely and utterly unsusale (which is why I've been wanting to switch to windows in the first place). But as far as I can tell, there simply aren't any Windows PCs that are comparable to Even the cheapest Macs.
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Don't get me wrong: I'm no Apple fan. Also, I find MS Office on Mac OS X completely and utterly unsusale (which is why I've been wanting to switch to windows in the first place). But as far as I can tell, there simply aren't any Windows PCs that are comparable to Even the cheapest Macs.
Office 10 on the pc is no better - that ribbon **** has basically ruined it. At lease on office 11 (Mac) you can turn that crap off - you probably can on the pc too, but it's now so difficult, I just install OpenOffice which now resembles the last good office (2003), in my eyes at least.
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Win 7 plays nicely with all your apple stuff, that's not going to be an issue. You can simply copy over your entire iTunes library and continue using it on your PC.
The problem with migrating to Windows isn't Windows 7 or your Apple-made accessories. It's finding a computer that works. I've been trying to move to windows for a little over a year now and so far it has been total misery. I've gone through 3 Dell XPs 14z (all of which had crooked cases and wouldn't sit on the desk evenly), 2 Samsung Chronos, both of which had faulty fans, and 2 HP Spectres (returned the second one yesterday for a refund), both of which had faulty screens (looked like something was pushing against the panel from the back, causing the same rippling effect you get from pushing your thumb on an LCD screen - except that it was there constantly). Now I'm back to square one and still working on my 13 inch MBP. So good luck finding a decent windows computer that has a usable trackpad, a decent screen, doesn't come with a fan that drives you nuts, doesn't have a vibrating hard drive, doesn't fall apart just from looking at it AND doesn't have any major manufacturing defects.

Don't get me wrong: I'm no Apple fan. Also, I find MS Office on Mac OS X completely and utterly unsusale (which is why I've been wanting to switch to windows in the first place). But as far as I can tell, there simply aren't any Windows PCs that are comparable to Even the cheapest Macs.
The only PCs comparable to Apple are Lenovo Thinkpads, with their legendary (from the IBM days) build quality. We use them exclusively at work which impresses me no end since they're not cheap but our head of IT refuses to compromise on Dells or HPs. Just stay away from the lower end (super market) Lenovos which I believe are made by Acer.
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Win 7 plays nicely with all your apple stuff, that's not going to be an issue. You can simply copy over your entire iTunes library and continue using it on your PC.
The problem with migrating to Windows isn't Windows 7 or your Apple-made accessories. It's finding a computer that works. I've been trying to move to windows for a little over a year now and so far it has been total misery. I've gone through 3 Dell XPs 14z (all of which had crooked cases and wouldn't sit on the desk evenly), 2 Samsung Chronos, both of which had faulty fans, and 2 HP Spectres (returned the second one yesterday for a refund), both of which had faulty screens (looked like something was pushing against the panel from the back, causing the same rippling effect you get from pushing your thumb on an LCD screen - except that it was there constantly). Now I'm back to square one and still working on my 13 inch MBP. So good luck finding a decent windows computer that has a usable trackpad, a decent screen, doesn't come with a fan that drives you nuts, doesn't have a vibrating hard drive, doesn't fall apart just from looking at it AND doesn't have any major manufacturing defects.

Don't get me wrong: I'm no Apple fan. Also, I find MS Office on Mac OS X completely and utterly unsusale (which is why I've been wanting to switch to windows in the first place). But as far as I can tell, there simply aren't any Windows PCs that are comparable to Even the cheapest Macs.
why not run windows on a mac then?
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Old 29.05.2012, 10:03
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why not run windows on a mac then?
That would be like using a Ferrari to deliver Pizzas, perfectly possible but a waste of an expensive car. Its the reason I persevere with Mac OS on my Macbook Pro, even though I much prefer Windows 7.
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why not run windows on a mac then?
I've tried that - the problem is that the driver integration is pretty sucky on Bootcamp. For example, I've never managed to get my former Macbook Air to use the projector at school under W7 - works great under OS X - but then PowerPoint for Mac crashes every 5 minutes and I can't use Keynote because the presentations have to be compatible with what my colleagues produce.
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I guess, mainly because during work I use Windows 7 and am pretty impressed with it, so if I could move all my computer needs to one platform it would be nice.
Why not virtualize Windows on the Mac? I moved to the Mac a year ago and I use Parallels to run Windows 7 for my development work. It works very well.
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Re: Migrating from Apple (to Windows)

Well you cannot just copy Itunes library to the PC-as far as I know the file systems are different. But you can simply copy all your music files ( not the folder ) mp3 etc onto an external medium then import to itunes. With pictures its the same.
Documents is a much bigger problem I found. They have to be in a format that Windows can read.


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To bring balance to the forum, I thought I'd start a thread on migrating from Apple Mac OS X to Winows 7 (or likely Windows XX by the time I get my ar5e in gear). Now some of you may say, why would you do that? I guess, mainly because during work I use Windows 7 and am pretty impressed with it, so if I could move all my computer needs to one platform it would be nice. Also my macbook is on its very last legs, and I guess our Imac will be in the replacement window within the next year or two.

Current setup. Imac, Macbook, two iphones and a Ipad plus airport extreme and two airport express, oh and an apple tv, which I rarely use.

So, a few questions to get started:

- Itunes, is it easy to move, by just copying the libary from the mac to the pc, via an external drive - or even leave it on an external drive / NAS? Are the music files stored in the same format between mac and PC? I have music and films / tv shows

- Iphoto - should be easy, as all pictures are jpecs I think.

- Other docs, should be easy

- Would I easily be able to "control" my airports until they are replaced over time?

- Am I asking for trouble by doing this -i.e. now everything is apple and inegrate easily, whereas in the future, the pcs would be aligned, but I guess mobiles may continue to be IOS etc etc.

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I am not planning on replacing my PowerBook pro g4 with a new MacBook pro. I may Get a Mac mini with boot camp and run both os. I will couple that with a iPad. All in all 2 iPads and a Mac mini is roughly the price of a MacBook pro 15. And with the emergence of slate devices I see no need for a 15 laptop as I don't require the processing power on the move.
An iPad is actually very good for remote controlling a mini. I use "Remoter VNC" (full version with all addons = c. 10 CHF) and can connect via standard screen-sharing (aka VNC) or when I'm not at home via SSH/SSH tunneled VNC. Works well even on a 3g connection

The ability to zoom in on a part of a desktop, pan around, display a keyboard or virtual keyboard works better than it sounds; still have to try with an external BT keyboard.
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Well you cannot just copy Itunes library to the PC-as far as I know the file systems are different. But you can simply copy all your music files ( not the folder ) mp3 etc onto an external medium then import to itunes. With pictures its the same.
Documents is a much bigger problem I found. They have to be in a format that Windows can read.
I thought i'd done that before - move an iTunes library from windows to mac. The iTunes library files are XML, whether it's NTFS or mac format is not a problem I thought.

Macworld via Google tells me I am right, and that my memory is not failing after all
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Old 22.06.2012, 20:21
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I thought i'd done that before - move an iTunes library from windows to mac. The iTunes library files are XML, whether it's NTFS or mac format is not a problem I thought.

Macworld via Google tells me I am right, and that my memory is not failing after all
I have done that before send it definitely works
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Re: Migrating from Apple (to Windows)

While I agree with most of the posts on this thread (I should add that I think Apple are the scientologists of the computing world, but I try to be balanced when reading the opinions of others), would those of you who are pointing out how often Windows laptops break down or have faulty parts and need returned please bear in mind the cost difference between a MacBook Pro and, for example, a Dell XPS 14z.

Not everyone can afford a MacBook Pro.

I've had a Dell XPS M1530 for 4.5 years now and never had the slightest problem with it. While I do have a problem with Dell and would never buy from them again this isn't due to their hardware. Yes, the MacBook Pro might have a better build quality but it would have cost almost twice the price.

I'll also add that in my office there are 6 people using iMacs, 2 of which had to be replaced within 6 months due to hardware faults. Macs are not infallible. Furthermore, if you're looking at buying a MacBook Air then remember that Apple have said that the battery will only take 300 charges before you have to send it back to them and pay for the battery to be replaced ($200). A replacement battery for my Dell laptop cost me $22. Nor can you, for example, upgrade the RAM or hard drive in a MacBook Air or the new MacBook Pro Retina without sending it back to Apple and paying an exorbitant fee.

Oh, and @ratbag, @Mikers and @Phil_MCR are quite correct in saying that Apple are years behind in security. If you do some background reading then you'll find that some big names in the online security world have been saying this for several years now (eg, Kevin Mitnick and more recently Kaspersky). Microsoft appears more vulnerable because they get attacked but Microsoft Security Essentials is now quite highly regarded.

For what it's worth, I agree with @Castro and my next laptop (when Win8 is released) is going to be a Thinkpad.

I realise that for some people Macs are the best choice but I hate the smug attitude that those users have when they exclaim "A Dell? [derisive snort] You're using the wrong laptop, pal. You should have bought a MacBook Pro like me." And when you ask them why their MacBook Pro is better they can usually only reply with "they just are".
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I realise that for some people Macs are the best choice but I hate the smug attitude that those users have when they exclaim "A Dell? [derisive snort] You're using the wrong laptop, pal. You should have bought a MacBook Pro like me." And when you ask them why their MacBook Pro is better they can usually only reply with "they just are".
I bought the Retina after having gone through 3 Dell XPS 14z (all of which had crooked cases and wouldn't stand evenly) one Samsung Chronos (which died a day after I got it) and two HP Spectre (both had an issue with something in the screen cover pushing on the panel from behind, causing ripple-effects on the panel).

I know that Macs break as well. I used to work in an IT department and was responsible for handling repairs. We had lots of Macs (40+ iMacs, lots of MBPs and Mac Pros). On the iMacs, the main boards and the screens went out most frequently. On the Macbook Pros, it was mainly batteries and some hard drives. I don't remember having had a single issue with a Mac Pro.

Once you have a working PC, it won't have any more issues than a Mac has over its lifetime. However, quality control for PCs seems to be massively inferior, so your chances of getting a DoA unit are drastically higher. And once you do, good luck getting the thing exchanged or getting a refund for it - neither of which would be an issue with Apple.

Anyway - I've had the Retina for a week now and can say it's the best fraking laptop I've ever had. And this is coming from a die-hard Apple hater.
The thing weighs less than the average 13" notebook, is extremely well built, is DEAD QUIET even under massive load, and the screen... Seriously, it's one of those things: once you've worked with a retina display, you really don't want to work with anything else. Working with a lower-res monitor is like having to go back to your 10" b/w TV after just having watched the soccer EM on your neighbors 42" color plasma.
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Re: Migrating from Apple (to Windows)

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It's probably also the most expensive freaking laptop you've ever had or will ever have.

If you moved from a Ford to a Ferrari you'd be saying pretty much the same thing. I'm not going to argue that there's anything wrong with your MacBook Pro Retina (though it's worth reading this). It's just that if you weigh up the cost vs. benefits it's hard to justify for the vast majority of users.

If you pay more you expect to get more for your money. The question is how much are you willing to pay to satisfy your requirements?

Anyway, this thread is about answering questions from someone migrating from OSX to Windows so let's not turn it into an Apple vs. MSFT debate.

I, for one, fully support the OPs move.
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It's probably also the most expensive freaking laptop you've ever had or will ever have.

If you moved from a Ford to a Ferrari you'd be saying pretty much the same thing. I'm not going to argue that there's anything wrong with your MacBook Pro Retina (though it's worth reading this). It's just that if you weigh up the cost vs. benefits it's hard to justify for the vast majority of users.

If you pay more you expect to get more for your money. The question is how much are you willing to pay to satisfy your requirements?

Anyway, this thread is about answering questions from someone migrating from OSX to Windows so let's not turn it into an Apple vs. MSFT debate.

I, for one, fully support the OPs move.
Nah, definitely not - I've had several Macbook Pros in the past that cost a lot more. I've also had PC notebooks (e.g. from IBM back in the day) that const considerably more - none of those even come close to the rMBP. As a matter of fact, I'd like to see just one 15" PC Notebook that combines the portability, manufacturing standards and the screen quality for what the Retina costs.
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Re: Migrating from Apple (to Windows)

I love Mac products and their all-encompassing attitude towards your data, but also hate the way that when you try and break out from this a little you are somehow on the dark side.

I love the build quality and how the OS just doesn't ask me so many stupid questions as Win, but think that the products are over-priced.

Basically, this is all down to personal choice (as ever), if you are looking at this under purely budgetary terms then you would be daft to choose a Mac, but I love the fact that everything (well, almost) syncs perfectly and my MBP just feels, solid. I brought my dad a DELL just before moving to CH so they could Skype us over here and it was the first PC I have brought in about a decade, I was really a little shocked by the build-quality but if I was worried about that I guess I could have simply saved a bit more and brought a Lenovo, but I took the somewhat disposable route as my parents have extremely limited computing needs.

Basically, I prefer Mac, but can understand given the amount of extra peripherals, the price difference and just how popular PCs are that lots of people would rather spend their hard-earned on a PC.
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Windows 7 is what Vista should have been. Vista is an abomination that should never have been released. Windows 7 is actually pleasant to use.

iTunes works fine for me in Windows 7.

I've moved my iTunes library quite happily from one PC to another, so see no reason, unless Apple have put in some proprietry crap as they are prone to do, preventing moving it from mac to PC.
I love apple products.. have a mac air, two ipads, & three iphones ... but like many from the other posts, have been using Windows for a long time. I have Win7 and I have no problems with iTunes as well.

Here is what you need to be prepared for.
- Yes, it will still crash from time to time
- Win7 is not without memory leak problems (poor cleanup of applications that are closed)
- and unless you have a super fast hard drive and hardware overall, don't expect it to load (or shut down) nearly as fast.
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I was with Windows-based PCs since 95. It got to the point where I was replacing my PC every 2 years. Finally, the proverbial camel's back was broken when my 3 month old PC got the blue screen of death and wouldn't reboot.

That was in early Spring 2009. I was so angry with Windows when I took the computer to the store to be fixed that I just said "f*** it" and bought an iMac right then and there.

3 years later I'm still using the same iMac and haven't had a problem since.

I love Apple.

Full stop.
I have been using Windows since Win95b. Havent seen a blue screen since moving to XP. You seem to have a level 8 problem. Which is what Apples are designed for.
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I bought the Retina after having gone through 3 Dell XPS 14z (all of which had crooked cases and wouldn't stand evenly) one Samsung Chronos (which died a day after I got it) and two HP Spectre (both had an issue with something in the screen cover pushing on the panel from behind, causing ripple-effects on the panel).
I am afraid you are one unlucky man. I hope this only applies to your laptop purchases, otherwise I would pray to Jesus, Allah, Buddha or whoever to give me more luck since the chances for all these to happen to one person are quite small. You must have upset "someone up there" pretty bad to have SIX laptops broken one after the other.
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