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iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

I have noticed that a lot of people here are big Apple fans. Everybody owns either a mac, iphone, ipad or at least an ipod. Me? I am a total anti-Apple person. I was pretty much blown away when finding out that the company i work for is a big Apple fan. All employees have to work on macs and are expected (but not forced) to own an iphone. For some time now they have tried to persuade me to buy an iPhone and stop "fooling around" with my sweet GS2.
I am considering upgrading my phone soon and honestly would love to get the new GS4 when it's out. But still...i think i should also give the iphone a chance to prove itself.

So...pros and cons for iPhone vs GS4 anyone??

As for the second part of the title i have found this really funny video that promotes the MAC. After working almost a year and a half on a mac i have to admit it's not so bad

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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

I bought an iPad 2 when they came out. Prior to that I had never seriously considered any Mac products. I was very impressed with the reliability and ease of use of the iPad.

Over the last 2 year as my phone and then desktop came up for replacement I bought an iPhone and then an iMac all on the tail of the iPod.

You will get a great list of pros and cons from iPhone and Samsung and other fans. Fact is you can do almost everything on any modern device, just in different ways. I like the Mac/iPhone set up simply because it all works - painlessly...
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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

Hi,

if you want a phone now and are not locked into the Apple prison then the GS3 is a good phone and I am sure the GS4 will be better. At the moment Android is evolving much faster than IOS and so the Apple products are tending to play catch up. Outside of the US Android dominates the smartphone market.

If you go for either phone you will be able everything you want do with a modern smartphone. The iphone without a phone contract is absurdly expensive with the 16 GB model costing nearly CHF 800!!! Whereas the equivalent Samsung model with a bigger screen is nearly CHF 300 cheaper.

As for computers, it is a matter of taste and I am sure that a Mac running Windows in Bootcamp is a nice PC. The biggest problem I see with Macs is that they tend not too be user upgradable...which is sadly a problem I have also seen with Ultrabooks.

My personal experience is I get a lot satisifaction and enjoyment from non Apple products be they from Microsoft or Google.

Good luck with your choice

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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

i love those mac/pc adverts
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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

I personally love iOS for its simplicity, elegance and usability on the iPhone and iPad, but can't stand Mac OS as a laptop/desktop OS. Therefore the ideal mix for me is Windows on my lap/desktop and iOS for my slate based devices.

People who take entrenched views either for/against Apple are a tad bit silly IMHO.
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People who take entrenched views either for/against Apple are a tad bit silly IMHO.
I actually had too look that word up

The only thing that bothers me about Apple is that you can get the same things for less money from a different company. I don't really see any big difference between iOS apps and Android apps so why pay more?
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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

Hi,

all views are subjective and are based on personal experience. The best way is to try everything and decide what suits you best. My opinion is based on the experience of both and it is likely that there are people who might have had a better experience than me.

Part of the problem is that is extremely hard to find objective reviews of computers/devices and especially difficult when it comes to Apple products. A lot of the reviews are nothing more than press releases.

What I think is irrational and ridiculous is a dislike of products that you have never used.

Try out the devices and talk to friends.

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I actually had too look that word up

The only thing that bothers me about Apple is that you can get the same things for less money from a different company. I don't really see any big difference between iOS apps and Android apps so why pay more?
i think apple products are not that expensive when you factor in the resale value...
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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

Some stuff is just not possible with iOS (currently) because Apple has decided it is best for the user.
That was never a problem for me, because I never had the need for anything outside of what can be had on the App-store.
The last "real" problem in that department was OpenVPN. An official client for iOS has become available recently.

Historically, you can get a lot of usage out of an iPhone. The iPhone 3GS (released in 2009) can even be upgraded to the latest iOS 6.
For me, that's a big plus. Also, I'm glad that Apple has so far not bought into the whole "let's make an even fatter phone"-craze. I don't carry a handbag and I don't want to have a phone that needs a backpack to transport...

iOS is all about getting stuff done efficiently. Few options, few settings, few choices, no "clever" sliders. Yes or no.
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What I think is irrational and ridiculous is a dislike of products that you have never used
I'm incorrigible in that as much as I dislike Android, I keep on buying Android devices

My current inventory is:

Android
Asus Transformer TF300 tablet
Galaxy 8.9 Tablet
HTC One X
Orange San Diego (Intel based CPU)

Apple
Iphone 4S
iPad 3
iPad 2
iPad Mini
Several iPods

There are definitely pros and cons to all the above, but time and again it always comes down to what device offers the best user experience (a composite of stability, simplicity, Apps, updates, build quality etc..)
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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

I had an iPhone until about 1 year ago - when I changed companies, I switched to a Samsung Galaxy S-2. For what I need, the Android phone is fine - it has a much better camera and more power than the iPhone 3GS that I had before.

On the other hand, I am now working with my new MacBook Air and have learned to love it. It is considerable lighter and more powerful than the Windows 7 laptop I had before, and I simply had no desire to learn Windows 8 after everything I read about it.

I just finished reading the Steve Jobs biography, and I have to agree with a lot of the points mentioned in that book - the user experience on a Mac is much more pleasant than on Windows. It simply works and works simply.
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Historically, you can get a lot of usage out of an iPhone. The iPhone 3GS (released in 2009) can even be upgraded to the latest iOS 6.
Agreed. I was given a 3GS over a year ago. It has a slight issue at the top of the screen (one pixel width white line; I've dropped it a couple of times) but apart from the fact it's a bit slow when booting and opening apps for the first time, it works well.

Latest iOS, latest version of all apps, all fully supported and running well.

I've got a Windows 7 laptop, an iPhone 3GS and recently an iPad mini. I love the fact the iPhone and iPad synchronise so much over the cloud - contacts, settings, diary, notes, photos etc. All very smart.

I almost bought a Macbook Retina (despite the crazy price and total lack of future upgrade options) but many people have had image retention problems with the screen so I'm waiting for the enxt generation before re-evaluating.
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I almost bought a Macbook Retina (despite the crazy price and total lack of future upgrade options) but many people have had image retention problems
that's the smallest problem with it. I had to get my display exchanged because of the exploding pixel problem (they literally explode and leave small craters on the surface of the screen - and no, you don't hear them pop :-) that's been popping up a lot lately :-/

Apple's service used to be good, too - now it's only semi-decent if you have an Apple Store in your vicinity. I say semi-decent because repair times for Macs have gone up considerably (used to be 48h, now it's more like 2-3 weeks). I live far enough away from an Apple Store that I had to send an iPad I had newly bought before Christmas (came with several defects - chipped frame, dust under the screen, scratches all over). TNT picked it up in early January. Then I didn't hear anything from Apple for about 4 weeks. I checked the tracking number and saw that the iPad had been delivered to Apple in the Netherlands in early January. When I called, it became apparent that Apple had lost the device (although they never directly admitted that). They opened a new case number. About 2 days later I got a delivery notice with a tracking number. I patiently waited another week but got nothing. When I tracked the package, I found out that TNT had lost the replacement as well. Apple then connected me to some de-escalation lady in Ireland. Took another week until the whole thing was resolved - yesterday I got a replacement directly from Apple (rather than from the repair facility in the Netherlands) via same-day express. In any case, it took almost 7 weeks for the repair of a DOA device -> lousy.

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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

Apple Macbook Stardust! I want one!
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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

Not really techie kind of people here. We have an iMac and a HP laptop. We much prefer the iMac for ease of use. However we also own several iPods, and recently acquired android tablets, mainly for price reasons, just could not justify the cost of the iPad. Loved the iPod and equally love the tablet, I find no difference in ease of use.
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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

I would say it's not a good idea to be very opinionated one way or another, use what you like and keep an open mind.

I've used computers for many years, both for home and work. I always felt like they were much more difficult to use than they should be. After many years of Windows use, I switched to a Mac back in 2008 and I love it. Time Machine backup is really what convinced me. I always felt like backup should "just happen" and I shouldn't even need to know it's there, until my hard drive crashes, which is hopefully very infrequently. I was quite amazed how simple it was, the first time I had to restore a Mac from scratch, using Time Machine.

I'm glad that Apple has "raised the bar" and made things a lot easier to use, both with the iPhone and the Mac. I'm also very glad that the competition is very good and getting better. Microsoft for many years could get away with leaving things they way they were because you didn't have much choice. In the smartphone market, I hope Samsung kicks Apples butt but then Apple responds with something even better. That's good for all of us.

I use a Mac at home. At the office, I actually use a Mac for "general purpose", a PC with Windows 7 for specific tools I need (and sometimes even Windows XP virtual machines), and Linux CENTOS for the systems we ship to customers. So I get to see everything. I like my Mac, however, there are certain programs that I need that only run on a PC. Windows 7 is very good and I find if I limit my PC to just what I need it for, it works great. Linux also has its advantages, but it's so customizable that everybody does everything their own way, and while the command line is great and makes you "feel powerful", unless you do it everyday, you're not going to remember the cryptic commands. Even the software guys I work with who are Linux experts, are constantly googling for things under Linux since they can't remember how they did it. A GUI is great for things you don't do very often, and the command line is great for things you do over and over all the time, everyday. I don't really want to remember cryptic commands. The older I get, the more I want to save "space" in my brain for other things that are more important to remember.

Also, these days, since more and more things are moving into a web browser, it matters less and less. I personally, want everything running on a huge mainframe "somewhere in the cloud", which has infinite processors, memory and hard disk space, and somebody else worries about backup, viruses, firewalls, etc, etc, blah blah, and I just access it all using a web browser or something else that makes me feel like the computer is right next to me. Hopefully we'll get back to that someday. The mainframe days were not so great because networking speeds were horrible and graphics were poor, but that has changed.

I also like the Mac, since even though I'm a techie, I have a wife and kids who want things simple. They don't care about 100 different options and being able to customize every detail. They just want something to work and be done with it. I've also gotten my parents and siblings to switch to Macs, and that means I have to do a lot of less "tech support" for them. Remote access between Macs has always been "built in" in as well so it's very simple for me to pop on over to their computer and fix something, when needed. For the PC, this always involved installing some special software (maybe not anymore though). Try doing that with your 70+ year old father from thousands of miles away.

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Not long after I graduated (20 years ago!) that was a big thing. I installed a network of X terminals and they all connected to a Unix back-end. Then PCs came out and everyone thought that having local processing power and tailored applications was the way to go. The circle of IT life.

You'll all be on VT220s next.
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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

Cristina, if you want you can borrow my iPhone 4S for a while
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Re: iPhone vs GS4 / MAC vs PC

That's a bit of a fascist company you're working for there.

In my place we let people choose the desktop they want and we end up with a mix of Mac, Linux and Windows. Nobody cares what phone they've got. Of course, people doing iOS development have to use Macs; Android and server stuff is more flexible in what you use.

In regards to the iPhone, it's just a bit old-fashioned these days (it's the kind of phone your grandparents use because it's got a nice 'walled garden' to keep them 'safe') - the technology is way behind modern Android devices.

My favourite phone currently is the HTC One X (One X+ is even better and the super high resolution One is out soon) - I much prefer it to the Samsung (HTC Sense is a better Android wrapper than Touchwiz) and it has the best 'feel' of current phones. (Roll it round in your hand, it feels like a smooth pebble plucked from the river).
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I'm incorrigible in that as much as I dislike Android, I keep on buying Android devices

My current inventory is:

Android
Asus Transformer TF300 tablet
Galaxy 8.9 Tablet
HTC One X
Orange San Diego (Intel based CPU)

Apple
Iphone 4S
iPad 3
iPad 2
iPad Mini
Several iPods

There are definitely pros and cons to all the above, but time and again it always comes down to what device offers the best user experience (a composite of stability, simplicity, Apps, updates, build quality etc..)
Just out of curosity !!!

why do you need so many devices. I mean do you use all of them
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