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I've been a Windows PC user since Windows came out (and before that, GEM, and DOS, and IBM-DOS and CPM ...) but bought a Macbook a month ago.

I don't have any special requirements for Windows software, although I'm currently forcing myself to try and stay close to stock apps* and so far I'm impressed. Even things which I thought would need Windows, such as the VPN software one particular company uses, is working fine.

Some things still get me, and I needed a Finder extension so the bloody thing would list folders at the top, but I love it and would fine it hard to go back to Windows. The fact I used to be a Unix admin helps, as I'm spending more time than I thought hacking/tailoring things at the OS level.

The only thing I miss, so far, is the DLNA controller built into Windows 7 (and I assume 8.1). It enabled me to "push" films to the TV rather than having to "pull" them from the TV using a DLNA server. I'm currently using Plex (which the Samsung TV supports via a free app) and even though it won't push, it's working well.

* Was Firefox, now Safari. Have some extensions (mainly Glims and Cookies) and so far so good.

* Was Thunderbird, now Apple Mail. Have a couple of extensions, and it's far from perfect, but then Thunderbird is a mess of an IMAP app anyway.

* Was Canon DPP but got Aperture for free (there's a legit trick for this - might still work) and it handles my RAW files without problem.
CPM now that takes me back a long time to a beautiful laptop the PX-8, of course not very powerful when compared to today, but did have a lovely keyboard. Terminal in OS X should have you happy as it is Unix/Linux, it allowed me to carry over my databases and use the same commands.
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Old 03.01.2014, 13:41
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Good luck using Photoshop on that
Chromebooks actually do have some photo editors e.g.:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...hrome-ntp-icon

I have 3 CBs now and find them to be excellent machines. I expect in 10 years time, they will have a significant share of the laptop market.

They can also run photoshop, but the particular CB you linked to has an ARM processor, so you'd have to run it with CPU emulation which would be rather slow.

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Not sure - a tablet's a tablet and a laptop is a laptop. I don't see myself browsing the web on a laptop with a keyboard while sitting on a Sofa. I only use my computer when I need to get work done.
Actually, I normally prefer to use my desktop or laptop when browsing, because it is too frustrating for me to type on the virtual keyboard. Also the desktop can put a whole webpage on a screen (24" screen in portrait orientation) and can hold many more tabs with good performance than a tablet.
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Old 03.01.2014, 20:28
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Re: Macbook warning

Update: encouraged by rumours of decency on the part of Apple, my son took his dud Macbook in and asked them nicely what he can do with it.

They won't even look at it unless he pays them CHF176.
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Update: encouraged by rumours of decency on the part of Apple, my son took his dud Macbook in and asked them nicely what he can do with it.

They won't even look at it unless he pays them CHF176.
You're approaching it the wrong way. Given that you're in Bern I would assume that your son took the machine to either Letec or Dataquest. These are simply authorised dealers for Apple and cannot override any warranty status. You need to talk to the organ grinder, not the monkey.

Call Apple on 0848 000 132 and really give it some on the complaining front. They may well issue you with a customer satisfaction code (Kundinszufriendenheitscode). When you have this then any authorised Apple repair centre with be able to handle the repair. I will add that there are no guarantees that Apple will relent, but it's worth a go.
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Call Apple on 0848 000 132 and really give it some on the complaining front. They may well issue you with a customer satisfaction code (Kundinszufriendenheitscode). When you have this then any authorised Apple repair centre with be able to handle the repair. I will add that there are no guarantees that Apple will relent, but it's worth a go.
Thanks! Let's see what they say.
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You're approaching it the wrong way. Given that you're in Bern I would assume that your son took the machine to either Letec or Dataquest. These are simply authorised dealers for Apple and cannot override any warranty status. You need to talk to the organ grinder, not the monkey.

Call Apple on 0848 000 132 and really give it some on the complaining front. They may well issue you with a customer satisfaction code (Kundinszufriendenheitscode). When you have this then any authorised Apple repair centre with be able to handle the repair. I will add that there are no guarantees that Apple will relent, but it's worth a go.
This is what I did.. The Apple Centre in Dublin turned me away. You need Apple to create an exception. Their first reaction will be sorry your warranty is expired. You need to overcome that and maybe say that your son is a student and saved for 2 years to purchase the Macbook etc etc... You just have to be stubborn and keep trying
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Old 20.01.2014, 19:39
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Re: Macbook warning

Here's an update:

Thanks to Slaphead's suggestion, I called Apple and whinged at them. They said that, because the Macbook was less than two years old (but out of warranty), they would bear the cost of repairs. So they replaced the innards (logic board and graphics card), and it's working again . Only one problem - it's still getting mighty hot when the graphics card switches in, which is apparently a sign that it may fail again. But so far, so good...
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Old 21.01.2014, 12:50
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Here's an update:

Thanks to Slaphead's suggestion, I called Apple and whinged at them. They said that, because the Macbook was less than two years old (but out of warranty), they would bear the cost of repairs. So they replaced the innards (logic board and graphics card), and it's working again . Only one problem - it's still getting mighty hot when the graphics card switches in, which is apparently a sign that it may fail again. But so far, so good...
And people moan at Apple... try that approach with a Sony Vaio or alternative and see how far one would get. Answer: Nowhere.

I also had a logic board fail 90 days after warranty and apple sorted me out too. Great service if you ask me.
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Old 21.01.2014, 16:08
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Re: Macbook warning

The clincher was that I bought it direct from Apple in Ireland, which is why they accept the two-year EU rules. If I had bought it in Switzerland, apparently, they would only have honoured the 1 year standard Apple guarantee, which had expired.

But they still tried to argue initially that is was a software fault (and therefore for me to sort out) and not a hardware issue.
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Old 21.01.2014, 17:42
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Here's an update:

Thanks to Slaphead's suggestion, I called Apple and whinged at them. They said that, because the Macbook was less than two years old (but out of warranty), they would bear the cost of repairs. So they replaced the innards (logic board and graphics card), and it's working again . Only one problem - it's still getting mighty hot when the graphics card switches in, which is apparently a sign that it may fail again. But so far, so good...
To be honest it's to be expected depending on the workload the GPU and processor have to deal with. If you're doing something intensive with it, such as gaming, then keep the MacBook on a solid surface leaving a small gap at the bottom for airflow. The whole case of a MacBook is designed as a secondary heatsink, and will warm up, especially on the underside.

Glad you got it sorted in the end. It's always worth pushing Apple as they hate anything negative being said publicly about them.
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Old 21.01.2014, 18:45
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Re: Macbook warning

My son does use it for gaming and watching videos, but he has always had it on a special laptop support with built-in cooling fans. I don't believe that anyone looks after their precious Macbook better than he does.

The temperature is quite surprising - even the outside of the case gets to the point where it's uncomfortable to touch. Can't be healthy for the electronics and the connections inside.
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My son does use it for gaming and watching videos, but he has always had it on a special laptop support with built-in cooling fans. I don't believe that anyone looks after their precious Macbook better than he does.

The temperature is quite surprising - even the outside of the case gets to the point where it's uncomfortable to touch. Can't be healthy for the electronics and the connections inside.
Was it like this before the main board was replaced?
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Old 21.01.2014, 22:54
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Re: Macbook warning

I'm pretty sure it got hotter before, and the fans used to go crazy. But it's difficult to compare directly, because my son is reluctant to do anything graphics-intensive with it now, in case the thing breaks again, so he's nursing it and trying not to stress it. Which defeats the object of having a Macbook, really.
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And people moan at Apple... try that approach with a Sony Vaio or alternative and see how far one would get. Answer: Nowhere.

I also had a logic board fail 90 days after warranty and apple sorted me out too. Great service if you ask me.
Mh not true about Sony Vaios... they let me purchase 2 years extra warranty a month after the initial first year had expired, and useful it was too, since it developed the usual fault: the motherboard power connector got wonky so you had to push the plug in hard and maintain that way to make it recharge the battery. Did have to send it back twice till they fixed it though (had this issue on two laptops 2002-2007).
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I'm pretty sure it got hotter before, and the fans used to go crazy. But it's difficult to compare directly, because my son is reluctant to do anything graphics-intensive with it now, in case the thing breaks again, so he's nursing it and trying not to stress it. Which defeats the object of having a Macbook, really.
He's using it wrong
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It seems to me that the notion of browsing the web is on its way out. In a couple of years, everything will be accessed via a browser - even Adobe CS and graphics-intensive work. And there won't be much need for local processing power or data storage, because all the heavy lifting will be done remotely and efficiently by industrial-scale banks of processor cores, instead of each user overheating his puny little quad-core i7. With decent connectivity, even the graphics processing will be done remotely.

Imagine: no more operating systems, no software, no version upgrades. With the Chromebook and the Chromebox, this is already how things work. The range of available services may not yet be attractive enough to convert users of "serious" software, but it will be one day.
A bold prediction - reminds me of similar claims about the paperless office or that cash will disappear within the next 30 years
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Re: Macbook warning

Update on the saga of dodgy Macbook Pro graphics from 2011. Apple have finally agreed to offer a repair extension program for the widespread graphics processor problems in Macbooks from 2011. They will now repair eligible machines for free. There are four MBP models from 2011, one from 2012 and one Retina model from 2013 which are affected.

Details of the program are here.
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Re: Macbook warning

Some industry insiders are suggesting that it's not just Apple that has these problems, but that it's industry wide - you only ever hear about Apple though. It's been mooted that the problems stem from when the industry switched from lead based to lead free solder.

Lead free solder is considerably more brittle and has a higher melting temperature than lead based solder. This means that lead free solder has a tendency to fracture (suffer fatigue) under the expansion and contraction caused by heating and cooling - graphic processors can get seriously hot when running at full tilt.

Lead based solder on the other hand is far more malleable and softens slightly at temperature which means it's better able to withstand the expansion and contraction caused by a laptops workload.

Desktop computers tend not to suffer too from this problem as they have far larger heatsinks to control temperature and the processors tend to be socketed, or in the case of GPUs on separate cards meaning that they are not directly soldered onto the main board as they are in laptops.
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Re: Macbook warning

My impression was that doing a lot of gaming on notebooks will almost always shorten their lifespan quite significantly. The cooling on most notebooks is just about enough to keep them operational during short intensive load, but prolonged high temperatures will just cause the components to degrade faster.

This issue is even more pronounced with highly compact ultrabooks which will almost all invariably overheat under prolonged heavy use and start throttling to avoid damage.

Macbooks were never particularly targeted at gaming and as such one could argue that while occasional gaming is just fine, for regularly playing graphically intensive games, one should get a dedicated gaming laptop that has better cooling.

Going further, since proper gaming laptops are heavy, bulky, expensive and yet still often have cooling issues, it is just better to invest into a small, portable and cheap (relatively speaking) laptop and then a dedicated gaming PC. E.g. instead of buying a $2500 notebook that is the jack of all trades but master of none, buy a $1500 notebook and a $1000 gaming pc. A $1000 gaming PC will in all likelihood blow a Macbook clear out of the water when it comes to gaming performance anyway (which largely rests on the graphics card).
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My impression was that doing a lot of gaming on notebooks will almost always shorten their lifespan quite significantly. The cooling on most notebooks is just about enough to keep them operational during short intensive load, but prolonged high temperatures will just cause the components to degrade faster.

This issue is even more pronounced with highly compact ultrabooks which will almost all invariably overheat under prolonged heavy use and start throttling to avoid damage.

Macbooks were never particularly targeted at gaming and as such one could argue that while occasional gaming is just fine, for regularly playing graphically intensive games, one should get a dedicated gaming laptop that has better cooling.

Going further, since proper gaming laptops are heavy, bulky, expensive and yet still often have cooling issues, it is just better to invest into a small, portable and cheap (relatively speaking) laptop and then a dedicated gaming PC. E.g. instead of buying a $2500 notebook that is the jack of all trades but master of none, buy a $1500 notebook and a $1000 gaming pc. A $1000 gaming PC will in all likelihood blow a Macbook clear out of the water when it comes to gaming performance anyway (which largely rests on the graphics card).
Yes, a Macbook is not suitable for gaming. This particular problem was experienced by lots of ordinary Mac-type people doing ordinary Mac-type things like designing and editing.
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