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Re: mobile for kids

We never put more than 10 chf a month on our son's phone and it was often less.
Calls only though, we didn't see why a 10-12 year old would need data on his phone and it was the phone was probably too basic anyway.

We used Yallo at the time which I think operates on the Sunrise network.
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A good option is to find a promotion like this one on my-store.ch.
You have some calls, SMS, and internet included for less than 10/month but the platform ask you to pay the 24 months at once
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A good option is to find a promotion like this one on my-store.ch.
You have some calls, SMS, and internet included for less than 10/month but the platform ask you to pay the 24 months at once
Hi,

Not to hijack the thread, but do you know what is the detail of this offer(how many min/sms/MB). CHF8/Month is too good to be true.

P.s. I know I could register to get the detail but do not want to add more email spam to my mailbox if I can.
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Not to hijack the thread, but do you know what is the detail of this offer(how many min/sms/MB). CHF8/Month is too good to be true.

P.s. I know I could register to get the detail but do not want to add more email spam to my mailbox if I can.
Unlimited calls to other Orange numbers, unlimited SMSs, 250 MB/month Internet.
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Old 16.09.2014, 01:08
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Re: mobile for kids

Aldi Mobile Smart 50 will cost twice as much - 15,90 but you buy it as you need it, 30 days at a time.

https://www.aldi-mobile.ch/angebote/smart50.html
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Unlimited calls to other Orange numbers, unlimited SMSs, 250 MB/month Internet.
That's a good one but it's not exactly 8/month. YOu have to pay upfront on the platform the 192f (8f per month for 24 months).
Anyway, took 2 and they deliver within 10 days, you better don't be in a hurry.
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10 is really too young for a mobile phone...
I would tend to agree with this but I'm getting conflicting advice from others.

I appreciate that a phone could be useful if your child is away from home a lot by bus etc and needs to phone.

But, our eldest is in year six and 'everyone' in his class (not literally, obviously) has not just a smart phone but an iPhone.

Additionally, there are a couple of Apps that a teacher has used to discuss homework and in the case of French, provide additional study material.
Now my view on this is that if the school feels it's necessary to produce a letter for children to take home telling them they need to get a pair of 10 CHF Turntäppeli (gym slippers) then surely if a smart phone is required (even as additional, unessential school equipment then perhaps a letter home to that effect would not be out of order?

My child is getting teased as he doesn't have a smart phone, let alone an iPhone and others feel that the problem would be solved if he had one.
I feel that children who feel it necessary to tease would just pick on something else to tease him about.

It really doesn't help when his teacher who really should, IMO have known better, got her new iPhone out in class break to show off to the children.

I've already had a stand off with one parent whose child had created a fake social media account in my son's name and loaded it with unpleasant stuff.
(An email to the social media company and a promise to the parent to get the school to sort it out seemed to get results).

Additionally, my child had had really bad nightmares directly as a result of being shown adult horror video on other childrens' iPhones.

An educational expert in the U.K. said if you're not happy with your child viewing hardcore pornography if they're under sixteen then you really shouldn't let them have a smart phone.

I'd be interested in what other parents feel about this, and what they did about it?
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Re: mobile for kids

If anyone has Swisscom look into the sponsorship plan. i do this with my son. It's 5 CHF per month - very limited amount of data but 3 free phone call numbers always (Swisscom numbers of course.) For me this works perfectly. he can always call me. If he wants internet, texts, etc, he has a very small amount and when it's up it's up - not crazy charges because he went over. And he has the option to add more data if he has money one month that he has saved. When I upgraded my phone I gave him my old one. He's 14.
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I would tend to agree with this but I'm getting conflicting advice from others.

I appreciate that a phone could be useful if your child is away from home a lot by bus etc and needs to phone.

But, our eldest is in year six and 'everyone' in his class (not literally, obviously) has not just a smart phone but an iPhone.

Additionally, there are a couple of Apps that a teacher has used to discuss homework and in the case of French, provide additional study material.
Now my view on this is that if the school feels it's necessary to produce a letter for children to take home telling them they need to get a pair of 10 CHF Turntäppeli (gym slippers) then surely if a smart phone is required (even as additional, unessential school equipment then perhaps a letter home to that effect would not be out of order?

My child is getting teased as he doesn't have a smart phone, let alone an iPhone and others feel that the problem would be solved if he had one.
I feel that children who feel it necessary to tease would just pick on something else to tease him about.

It really doesn't help when his teacher who really should, IMO have known better, got her new iPhone out in class break to show off to the children.

I've already had a stand off with one parent whose child had created a fake social media account in my son's name and loaded it with unpleasant stuff.
(An email to the social media company and a promise to the parent to get the school to sort it out seemed to get results).

Additionally, my child had had really bad nightmares directly as a result of being shown adult horror video on other childrens' iPhones.

An educational expert in the U.K. said if you're not happy with your child viewing hardcore pornography if they're under sixteen then you really shouldn't let them have a smart phone.

I'd be interested in what other parents feel about this, and what they did about it?
I fine the bullying aspect of this to be the most worrying part personally. Creating a fake social media account at that age is really serious in my opinion.

We got the 'everyone' has an iPhone spiel a few years ago too but it's really not the case as I'm sure you already know.
Even now at 15 my son is still using my old iphone and another boy in his class has an iphone4 too. His friend who lives next doesn't still doesn't have a phone at all and manages to live perfectly well without one. On one occasion when they were late due to a trip and his mother had forgotten about it she just called me to find out where they were as they were in the same class.
If an app is needed for schoolwork then I think it's up to the school to inform the parents and not for the kids to be pressured into gettin it by the other kids.

If your son only needs a phone to be able to contact you in emergencies ( if at all) then a bog standard 15chf phone from media markt with a PAYG sim is perfectly adequate at that age.
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I would tend to agree with this but I'm getting conflicting advice from others.

I appreciate that a phone could be useful if your child is away from home a lot by bus etc and needs to phone.

But, our eldest is in year six and 'everyone' in his class (not literally, obviously) has not just a smart phone but an iPhone.

Additionally, there are a couple of Apps that a teacher has used to discuss homework and in the case of French, provide additional study material.
Now my view on this is that if the school feels it's necessary to produce a letter for children to take home telling them they need to get a pair of 10 CHF Turntäppeli (gym slippers) then surely if a smart phone is required (even as additional, unessential school equipment then perhaps a letter home to that effect would not be out of order?

My child is getting teased as he doesn't have a smart phone, let alone an iPhone and others feel that the problem would be solved if he had one.
I feel that children who feel it necessary to tease would just pick on something else to tease him about.

It really doesn't help when his teacher who really should, IMO have known better, got her new iPhone out in class break to show off to the children.

I've already had a stand off with one parent whose child had created a fake social media account in my son's name and loaded it with unpleasant stuff.
(An email to the social media company and a promise to the parent to get the school to sort it out seemed to get results).

Additionally, my child had had really bad nightmares directly as a result of being shown adult horror video on other childrens' iPhones.

An educational expert in the U.K. said if you're not happy with your child viewing hardcore pornography if they're under sixteen then you really shouldn't let them have a smart phone.

I'd be interested in what other parents feel about this, and what they did about it?
Im not a parent but pressure a 6-year old into getting a smartphone is just quite frankly a disgrace. AT 6 years old an iPhone or tablet should be the last thing on their mind, and if teachers are using it in the curriculum then this is a woeful lack of common sense when regular school materials are just fine at that age.

The problem, as you say with phones is the lack of oversight and control that many parents have... kids can literally watch anything they can Google for.

There are however ways to lock an iPhone down for kids http://www.howtogeek.com/177366/how-...hone-for-kids/

Either way a 6-year old having this kind of social pressure is just a crying shame, and I hope you can get around it without too much issue. Consider speaking to the teachers also to voice any concerns.
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I fine the bullying aspect of this to be the most worrying part personally. Creating a fake social media account at that age is really serious in my opinion.

We got the 'everyone' has an iPhone spiel a few years ago too but it's really not the case as I'm sure you already know.
Even now at 15 my son is still using my old iphone and another boy in his class has an iphone4 too. His friend who lives next doesn't still doesn't have a phone at all and manages to live perfectly well without one. On one occasion when they were late due to a trip and his mother had forgotten about it she just called me to find out where they were as they were in the same class.
If an app is needed for schoolwork then I think it's up to the school to inform the parents and not for the kids to be pressured into gettin it by the other kids.


I don't think he should have a phone at all - but one should be available for intermittent use - a family mobile as such which can be borrowed ad needed and this is what the local school authorities recommend.

My wife thinks he should get a phone - and particularly an iphone as it would stop some of the teasing.


My thought is that any bullying and teasing would just move onto some other aspect of my son and the phone wouldn't solve anything.

I took the fake social media account much more seriously than the parents of the children who made the account.
I'm told you are not allowed to threaten in Switzerland but a promise to go to the school and Police seemed to sort it out and I'm still friends with the parents. I think the kids didn't even get a telling-off.

But where we live, everyone seems to give into all the demands of their kids and and even a seven year old neighbour got an iPhone 6 for Christmas.
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Im not a parent but pressure a 6-year old into getting a smartphone is just quite frankly a disgrace. AT 6 years old an iPhone or tablet should be the last thing on their mind, and if teachers are using it in the curriculum then this is a woeful lack of common sense when regular school materials are just fine at that age.

The problem, as you say with phones is the lack of oversight and control that many parents have... kids can literally watch anything they can Google for.

There are however ways to lock an iPhone down for kids http://www.howtogeek.com/177366/how-...hone-for-kids/

Either way a 6-year old having this kind of social pressure is just a crying shame, and I hope you can get around it without too much issue. Consider speaking to the teachers also to voice any concerns.
He said year 6 which is around 10/11 years old not age 6. (Although as far as I'm concerned 6 or 10 is still too young for this sort of pressure)

Regardless it is just wrong to pressurise children so young into getting the latest gadget.
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Old 28.09.2015, 10:24
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Im not a parent but pressure a 6-year old into getting a smartphone is just quite frankly a disgrace. AT 6 years old an iPhone or tablet should be the last thing on their mind, and if teachers are using it in the curriculum then this is a woeful lack of common sense when regular school materials are just fine at that age.

The problem, as you say with phones is the lack of oversight and control that many parents have... kids can literally watch anything they can Google for.

There are however ways to lock an iPhone down for kids http://www.howtogeek.com/177366/how-...hone-for-kids/

Either way a 6-year old having this kind of social pressure is just a crying shame, and I hope you can get around it without too much issue. Consider speaking to the teachers also to voice any concerns.

Year six children are eleven years old but I think your comments still hold true.

I was under the impression that the iPhone lock down features only locked down 'Apple' apps so you could, for example, prevent an 18+ film from being downloaded with iTunes or an 18+ game from being installed.
But this wouldn't stop children from watching porn or horror on YouTube or other streaming services.
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Re: mobile for kids

Two issues here - kids with phones and kids with iPhones.

My daughter did have an old bog-standard one of mine, from about third or fourth class - simple dial and call only, with about 10 chufs of Swisscom credit.
This was purely so she could let me know when she had missed the school bus. It spent most of the time sitting in her school bag with the battery running down.

Before she started secondary school she was gifted a Galaxy from her (Swiss) godmother - against my wishes, but the deal was already done.
Later, at secondary school, there was the desire for an iPhone, which I tried to deter, but my (Swiss) wife yielded and another deal was done, for an iPhone 5.

She now has an iPhone 6, which I can never reach her on, as she claims she has to always go on flight mode, so her battery might just last the day.

My youngest now has the Galaxy, purely for games apps, and the iPhone 5 spends most of the time sat in drawer, occasionally used as a reserve or mp3 player. I think it was possibly offered to me at one time, but I quickly declined.

There can be a need, sometimes, for a child to have a basic phone, but smart phones and iPhones seems to be promoted more by Swiss parents than by British ones.

The dependency of youth on iPhones is an Apple marketing success story - mature adults can see through the crap, and only fanboys are still fooled.

Personally, my 140 chufs (50 chufs off) Windows Phone, has better battery life, higher storage capacity and a comparable, if not better processor, for a fraction of the cost. Plus battery can be replaced and I can have two SIMs.
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Year six children are eleven years old but I think your comments still hold true.

I was under the impression that the iPhone lock down features only locked down 'Apple' apps so you could, for example, prevent an 18+ film from being downloaded with iTunes or an 18+ game from being installed.
But this wouldn't stop children from watching porn or horror on YouTube or other streaming services.
Ah sorry I mis-read and thought you said 6-year old, I thought it was a bit chuffing young!

Either way 11 years old is still young for that kind of social pressure, and I really think that it breeds bad habits. My auntie bough an iphone for her 8 year old (admittedly very mature for her age, and highly intelligent/vocal) and I thought she was crazy for doing that, and quelle surprise, last christmas she sat on the sofa playing with it until people dragged it off of her.

Phones and tablets breed very bad habits and social conditioning in young kids and they often get angry or frustrated when you try and take it away.

I am a huge fan of technology, but I think it really should be limited and moderated where young children are concerned as the physical, health ahd psychological ramifications of having such tech from a young age are only now being understood..
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I am a huge fan of technology, but I think it really should be limited and moderated where young children are concerned as the physical, health and psychological ramifications of having such tech from a young age are only now being understood..
That's one of my concerns.

After being show horror video clips on other childrens' phones last week, my eleven year old refuses to go upstairs or downstairs on his own - he has to be taken by one of his (younger) siblings.

I appreciate this has happened without himself owning a phone but I can not see why there wouldn't be more of this if he did.

Sure, I'm not trying to shield my kids from all of this but there has to be a happy, controlled, balance.
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...then they loose their phone or it gets stolen, a lot of fun!
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Re: mobile for kids

Thanks for the comments. They're all one-sided though and are, more or less, in agreement with my own thinking.

Knowing that some of you must have bought iPhones and other phones for your young children, I was hoping to see the other side of the argument.
That hasn't been the case here.

Playing the role of provocateur here, is it possibly because although there are plenty of valid reasons why one shouldn't get an eleven year old an iPhone, there really aren't any good and sensible reasons why one should?
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Thanks for the comments. They're all one-sided though and are, more or less, in agreement with my own thinking.

Knowing that some of you must have bought iPhones and other phones for your young children, I was hoping to see the other side of the argument.
That hasn't been the case here.

Playing the role of provocateur here, is it possibly because although there are plenty of valid reasons why one shouldn't get an eleven year old an iPhone, there really aren't any good and sensible reasons why one should?
I'm happy to give the positive reasons.

Both our kids, similar age to yours, have old iPhones from us. And I mean old - 3G - although only because annoyingly our 4S generation phones were broken and lost.

Neither has a SIM card so they're effectively iPods, although I may change that for the older one shortly.

Both are locked down - no installing apps, no internet access, no email. This may also change shortly for the older one.

They use them for:

* listening to music and story books (mainly via Plex)

* playing games

* the older one uses WhatsApp to chat to some foreign friends

* checking the weather forecast

* English-German and Duden dictionaries

* photos

We also have a basic Samsung phone which the older one occassionally takes if we need to contact her, e.g. meeting at a school fair.

I don't see any social pressure - the younger one is too young to care, and the older one will get what she's given, the pressure will get exactly as far as me saying "no" and she's sensible enough to think herself lucky to have anything.
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Re: mobile for kids

We gave our ten-year old an iPod Touch for her birthday. She can do the things should do with a phone except, well, phone someone.

It is a great toy. She knows that my husband and I have full access to it at any time - not to invade her privacy but for her protection.

She uses it, of course, to play games but also for other things. She exchanges text messages and photos with her grandparents and my brother. Aside from family she is only allowed to text with her BFF whom we know well. One thing she loves doing is to play her own music on the piano and to record it. She and her friend exchange a lot of such recordings. She takes a million photos with it. She is allowed to use it to look up French terms she does not know while doing homework. She may only download apps with our permission.

While our kids have limited screen time we do let them use technology under our supervision. So the iPod always stays in our house. She an email account on which she receives email from family only. Other than that she has no social media account.

So while I would not want to buy my children an expensive iPhone at this stage an iPod Touch works well for our family. When I feel that she needs to be able to call us or vice versa we give her my husband's dumb phone.

To the previous poster who refused an iPhone5 - I'll take it
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