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Old 15.01.2015, 13:38
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PC - Home Build, Advice

Hi PC Experts

My old PC is getting tired, needs reboots more often and the fans are starting to be noisy. Components are about 5 or 6 years old now, so time for an upgrade.

My thoughts for a new PC are :
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus Z97-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston HyperX Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Western Digital Red 3TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ( x4 in raid 10 )
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 270X 2GB DirectCU II Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Arctic White) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair RM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular

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What do you think about timing, the new Intel CPU's should be available mid 2015, but at the moment all PC components seem to be increasing gently in price ( WD Red was 118 Chf 3 months ago, now 128 )

Do I wait ?
Do I buy now ?
Should I change my build ?
Do I wait longer for New CPU and 1151 mother board ?
I would buy these components from Digitec / MicroSpot / PC-OstSchweiz

Let me know your thoughts, Thanks.
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Old 15.01.2015, 14:07
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

what are you doing with the PC?
are you a gamer?
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Old 15.01.2015, 16:37
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

Hi SeanConnery

PC is a general use 'Home Workhorse'
Data storage, games, watching Video's, Photo Storage and editing, work wise as Apache, PHP, MySql Server, eclipse Web development, oh and a bit of e-mail / browsing.
Hence, Raid 10 for speed and some data redundancy.

Thanks.

ps, Windows 7 - 64 now. Don't really like 8, so may wait for 10 ( but thats another story !! )
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

are you price-sensitive?

also if you don't have a proper RAID controller, I'd consider avoiding fakeRAID and unless you need the disks to spin 24x7, you don't need RED either (plus you can run WDIDLE3 on the green drives ) - but I'd take a decent online backup solution. How much data do you have and how much of it would you want to back up?

In the end, if the price is right and you want it, why wait?
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

If you want to game esp. FPS, you might want a dedicated sound card, like this. http://www.steg-electronics.ch/it/ar...-z-585204.aspx
Also for Haswell desktop CPUs external coolers are not really useful, since Intel uses TIM between the die and the IHS / cap.
http://www.google.ch/url?sa=t&rct=j&...83640239,d.bGQ

At what resolution will you game? If you will be using >1920X1200 monitor then a R9-290 is suggested.

If you want you can buy a 32GB SSD caching drive to speed up your HDD array. I use one from Sandisk.
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

CPU +Mainboard makes only sense when you want to overclock the cpu, otherwise you can buy a mainboard with H-97 Chipset and a Xenon CPU and save money and get better performance(Xenon CPU will be the same as an I7 CPU).
Power Supply is too big, 450 Watts (from Coolermaster or Be quiet) is all you need.
CPU Cooler is not good enough, im would recommend Thermalright Macho or a Scythe Mugen 4, if you will spend more or want to OC, you need a Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro3 or Noctua NH-D 15.
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Old 15.01.2015, 17:57
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

When I build my PC last year, my main criteria (aside from POWER!!!!) was quiet. So I got a Cooler Master Silencio, and Be Quiet fans. I have two SSD and on HDD (for data), plus a 2TB HDD for backup (in the case - I also have an external backup solution).
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Old 15.01.2015, 18:39
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

i think you've done a good job and avoided buying the top of the line parts (where you pay a massive premium for a minor performance boost) which is a trap a lot of people fall into.

the only thing i would consider is how much storage you really need. 4 disks generates a lot of heat and noise. if you can afford it, i would start with 2x SSDs and buy only capacity you need for the next year and then add capacity as SSD prices fall.
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

Thanks to all for the advice and idea's.

I didn't know about WDIDLE3, but for the small price difference between the WD green and the red, the red's seem to be a better disk. I don't have a good external backup, so my lazy build was to use the MB raid 10.

Data wise, I've got about 1.2 TB, so, 4 Red 3TB Raided 10 would give me 6 TB, 4 times growth ( kids seem to wand more and more storage )

Alternative I've looked at would be a NAS, but then the price would be more. Could add a 4 bay NAS later using the ( old ) WD red's and use just SSD's in the PC. ( Later !! )

I'm OK with the MB sound for now.
And looking at the 'delidding' I feel a lot safer, keeping stock components.

One of my targets is to get a quieter PC, so my idea of the Fractal case and a faily quiet CPU cooler.

With the CHf / Eur fun yesterday, I'm going to wait a bit to see what happens to PC component prices.

Thanks again for your idea's, happy computing.
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

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Do I wait ?
Do I buy now ?
Should I change my build ?
Do I wait longer for New CPU and 1151 mother board ?
I would buy these components from Digitec / MicroSpot / PC-OstSchweiz
There will always be something better coming along soon - if you wait you'll never buy anything. Only exception is if there really is something specific you are waiting for (e.g. I waited for Retina display on iPads before buying one).

It's a soundly-specc'd build - go ahead do it.

All those retailers you mention (especially Digitec) are fine - Steg also good.
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Old 26.01.2015, 01:20
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

Go for a beQuiet PSU, something like this (they are priced nicely in EU): https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product...etzteil-267470

Plenty of expansion room for drives on that PSU, and its quiet quiet quiet (and flat flat flat rails!).

I wouldn't bother with an aftermarket cooler on a stock clocked Haswell system. Also wouldn't bother with Z-series motherboard if you aren't overclocking. H97 will save you ~60CHF, you'll save what, 30CHF on an aftermarket cooler? Set the profile to quiet in the BIOS and you'll be amazed how quiet an Intel cooler can run. Furthermore, no need getting an unlocked (K) CPU, save more money.

Get a new GTX960 instead of the 270, more perf, less power, not shit AMD drivers.

[nerd advice, ignore] At some point get a different box, an Intel Q-chipset, appropriate CPU with IP-KVM (I think everything but K in Haswell), and drop your drives in there and run a Linux fileserver rather than Windows softraid. Modern zfs/btrfs raid arrays are muchos sexy. Although if that is beyond your expertise level then at some point a simple NAS will be a nice investment (especially as ARM NASes come online), its a lot of power savings and no need to run a big beefy system.
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

I always bought my components from digitec, never a problem and almost always cheaper than steg. can't recycle anything from the old pc?
I like fractal design, was considering one of those, in the end went for a silencio 550 but yeah it gets a bit hot (never problematic though and i still have an old gtx 275, new graphic cards are much cooler i hear).

Maybe z-series and unlocked cpu is overkill if you don't overclock, but i don't know with all these things maybe it's better a top motherboard i'm sure you made your considerations. Aftermarket cooler for the cpu i'm not sure it's necessary, maybe just for more silence it's nice to have i guess. 100 CHF more or less probably don't bother.
I'm an nvidia fanboy so won't comment on the graphic card lel

Prices fluctuate, sometimes quite a bit, don't know if you can make predictions, obviously if there's floods in thailand buy the hard disks right away, i remember the price hike in 2011.
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Old 27.11.2015, 17:23
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

Hello geeks,

I need to replace my desktop - falling apart piece after piece and was wondering if I should buy something or put an ad in the job section and have someone here choosing the components and building the PC for me.

If I buy, I may go to Interdiscount or Mediamarkt or Digitec.

I chose the latest option last time, someone built the PC for me. The problem was that the case was partly defective and I noticed only weeks later. Which was a huge p!$#*, since this is not simple to replace (everything has to be unmounted and remounted) ...


My requirements:
- a quite case (like the silencio I have now)
- the oss (linux and windows) on an ssd (hdssd)
- one (or two) hdd for the data.
- at least 16GB RAM
- a 4 core processor. I usually have many applications running at the same, like 3 browsers with many tabs, and do some video work, no gaming.
- Video Card: ???
- Power Supply: ???
- motherboard: ???

Any smart advice will be appreciated. Thanks!
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Old 27.11.2015, 17:40
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

Will you be using the PC for gaming (for graphics intensive games like Battlefield 4, etc?)

Will you store terabytes of data which need frequent access (Big data computing?)

Do you need a PC suitable as a media center (Need special audio in / out)?

Do you need a computer for heavy number crunching?( need 6 or 8 cores or more)
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

Thank you for your answer noipv4!

I mentioned that I am not gaming, but I do video and some simple audio editing.
I have a couple of browsers running with many tabs open.

I do not store terabytes of data, but produce regularly videos with reduced size, so certainly I produce maybe 1 Gig per week. But I usually don't access gigabytes except while editing and transforming the original file.

I rather use an external storage as media center (like a hard disk) than having my PC running 24/7.
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If you're using linux, you might want to stick to haswell/broadwell for now as linux on skylake is not very stable.
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thank you Phil_MCR for your advice!
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Re: PC - Home Build, Advice

You mentioned a requirement for a quiet case. I am into quiet computing and have found the Silent PC Review site invaluable fir information on quiet components: http://www.silentpcreview.com/

Alternatively you could look at the components that End PC Noise put together and either buy the whole package from them (US based), or build it yourself with their component selection. https://www.endpcnoise.com/
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You mentioned a requirement for a quiet case. I am into quiet computing and have found the Silent PC Review site invaluable fir information on quiet components: http://www.silentpcreview.com/

Alternatively you could look at the components that End PC Noise put together and either buy the whole package from them (US based), or build it yourself with their component selection. https://www.endpcnoise.com/
My latest PC is a Shuttle self build. Bought 32GB memory and processor from Amazon.de and recycled a couple of 1TB WD HDDs. It's incredibly fast and almost totally silent due to the heatpipe cooling. If you're comfortable with a self build, take a look, my system came in at less than 700CHF for the parts I had to buy.

http://global.shuttle.com/products/p...productId=1925
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I agree, Shuttles are great. I have three:-)

I did have to replace the fans with after-market fans however. The Shuttle ones were too noisy...

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