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Old 27.02.2015, 15:42
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Re: Billag Contribution and Online Questionaire...

Speak to your landlord just so you know how smug to be next time the Billag write to you.

Throw away the letter they sent you, ignoring everything it says in the process.
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Old 27.02.2015, 15:42
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It would be highly unusual for Billag to *ask* for a contribution.

Suggestion: Scan, or take a photo of, the letter. Anonymize for privacy. Upload.

People will then be able to tell more from the legalese on the letter.
I think I know the questionnaire. I had the same one. Twice actually.

It more or less says that they've noticed you're not on their list of clients and they want to know why not. It then asks about TV and radio equipment you own.

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Old 27.02.2015, 15:45
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Please get your understanding adjusted at https://www.billag.ch/private/faq/



The magic word is "Internet".

Assuming that you did post from home, you have just proven yourself worthy of paying for TV, too
Bollocks-ish.

Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

It's a long thread, but the upshot is if you have internet *and* a subscription (ie registered userid, free or not) for a TV service then you have to pay.

So if you use Zattoo as a guest - no Billag. If you register, Billag. Of course, this is just for the TV part; the radio part is payable if you have internet.
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Old 27.02.2015, 15:49
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Re: Billag Contribution and Online Questionaire...

I had thought that other people might have gotten a letter similar to mine. I should have been more specific in my original post. I have also just contacted the property manager to see what he has to say, and I'm waiting his reply.

I reread my rental contract, and here is what it says (in part):

Internetmodem und Internetverbindung (UPC cablecom) CHF inkl.
TV- und Antennengebühr (upc cablecom Kabelfernsehen) CHF inkl.
Empfangsgebühren für Radio und Fernsehen (BILLAG) CHF inkl.

We are not trying to be dishonest, and I understood before we moved here about these fees.

This is the main part of the letter from Billag:
Haben Sie auch letzthin aktuelle Verkehrsmeldung, den neusten Wetterbericht oder spannende News auf Ihrer Region gehört oder gesehen? Oder genau dieses Finalspiel im Fernsehen verfolgt, welches tags darauf überall Thema Nummer 1 war?

Ohne Gebührenbeitrag sämtlicher Empfänger von Radio und Fernsehprogrammen ist in der Schweiz eine Vielfalt an regionalen und nationalen Programmen nicht möglich. Gestützt auf das geltende Radio und Fernsehgesetz (Zusammenfassung siehe Rückseite) informieren wir Sie, das alle Haushalte, welche entsprechende Programme empfangen können, einen Gebührenbeitrag leisten müssen. Mit Ihrem persönlichen Beitrag helfen Sie, den "Service public" in sämtlichen Sprachregionen und eine Auswahl an spannenden und informativen Programmen zu erhalten.

Bitte füllen Sie das Online-Formular auf unserer Webseite vollständig aus 20 Marz. Nutzen Sie dazu Ihren Zugang unter www.billage.ch/kampagne.

Bitte füllen Sie das Online-Formular in jedem Fall aus, auch wenn Sie kein Gerät besitzen, mit dem Sie Radio hören oder fernsehen können.

Falls Sie über keinen Internetzugang verfügen, rufen Sie uns bitte.

Herzlich Danken wir bereits heute für Ihre Mithilfe und den Beitrag an eine weiterhin vielfältige Radio und Fernseh Schwiez.
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Old 27.02.2015, 15:51
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Empfangsgebühren für Radio und Fernsehen (BILLAG) CHF inkl.
Ignore everything the Billag send you. If you're bored, forward it to whoever your rental contract is with. If you're very bored, sue them for trying to scam you for fees already paid.
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Old 27.02.2015, 15:56
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Please get your understanding adjusted at https://www.billag.ch/private/faq/



The magic word is "Internet".

Assuming that you did post from home, you have just proven yourself worthy of paying for TV, too
There is no such thing as just a magic word in legalese

Under the section :"Private television" they list three conditions:

- the household has a broadband connection (eg. ADSL, cable network).
- an appropriate software (eg. Media Player, Real Player) allows you to recieve.
- the budget has completed a paid subscription for the reception of television programs or has registered with a provider that provides free access to television programmes.
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Re: Billag Contribution and Online Questionaire...

Got the same letter today, and wished it was optional 462.30 for radio and tv- and it clearly says that failure to register all appliances with them, giving the login and password given on the letter- will result in denunciation to Ofcom and a fine of CHF5000. This of course it totally separate from tv or cable connection usually included in rent- but best talk to your 'regie/agency/landlord' for confirmation, if you don't believe this.

They request that the on-line form is filled in even if you do not have any appliances allowing you to listen to radio or watch tv (including tablet, computer, mobile phone, as well as radio and tv).

Just seen your edited post above. If you contract clearly says Billag is included (and yes, it is very unusual) then just get in touch with ETH to clarify.

Later edit. Just filled our form on-line- and was asked if anyone else pays the billag contribution for our accommodation, and if so, their detail- so you need to get in touch with ETH about their contract detail for billag (sadly, this does not apply to us (: )

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Old 27.02.2015, 18:41
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if you have internet *and* a subscription (ie registered userid, free or not) for a TV service then you have to pay.
Any Cablecom *line* automatically comes with TV (no paying of subscription required - and you are name / registered).

Swisscom nowadays only sells packages including TV. Literally any Swisscom login *enables* you to watch Swisscom TV Air on your mobile.

Other providers? No idea.

Keep in mind that it is not the act of doing that matters - it is the ability to do.

The authority on all this is the law, courts, and Billag. I would expect that Billag putting up information (in English) on their website covering very specific scenarios means that this information is correct.
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Old 27.02.2015, 18:56
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Any Cablecom *line* automatically comes with TV (no paying of subscription required - and you are name / registered).
... I would expect that Billag putting up information (in English) on their website covering very specific scenarios means that this information is correct.
If you have no TV or set-top/digital box, then whether Cablecom squirt TV signals down your line is not relevant; you can't plug a computer into it - it's a coax connection. So I believe, anyway.

As for the second point, it's been pointed out on the other long thread that what Billag says and the law aren't always the same.
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Old 27.02.2015, 19:43
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The authority on all this is the law, courts, and Billag.
This is what Billag claim.

Actually it is totally bogus because Billag, having a stake in the matter, cannot be trusted to be fair or unbiased in their interpretation of the law. Billag, being a private and for profit enterprise is no more an authority on deciding who needs to pay their fee than Coop is on deciding what you need to eat for supper tonight.

This is why Billag always try to settle out of court, meaning they throw pseudo legalese at you until you decide that seeing you don't understand it, it must be true.

This is also why they are so fearsome of tape recorders and cameras. They don't want their pseudo legalese to be scrutinized by anybody who actually understands it.

Smell the scam anybody?

Of course there are many good but blinkered souls on this forum who will defend them to the death.

Maybe because they bought the scam and they feel that it hurts less if they can spread the hurt.
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Got the same letter today, and wished it was optional 462.30 for radio and tv- and it clearly says that failure to register all appliances with them, giving the login and password given on the letter- will result in denunciation to Ofcom and a fine of CHF5000. This of course it totally separate from tv or cable connection usually included in rent- but best talk to your 'regie/agency/landlord' for confirmation, if you don't believe this.

They request that the on-line form is filled in even if you do not have any appliances allowing you to listen to radio or watch tv (including tablet, computer, mobile phone, as well as radio and tv).

Just seen your edited post above. If you contract clearly says Billag is included (and yes, it is very unusual) then just get in touch with ETH to clarify.

Later edit. Just filled our form on-line- and was asked if anyone else pays the billag contribution for our accommodation, and if so, their detail- so you need to get in touch with ETH about their contract detail for billag (sadly, this does not apply to us (: )
Were the last 5 or so years optional?
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Old 27.02.2015, 20:17
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Swisscom nowadays only sells packages including TV. Literally any Swisscom login *enables* you to watch Swisscom TV Air on your mobile.
I don't believe this is completely accurate.

I have Cablecom at home (no Swisscom)

I have Swisscom TV app. on my iPad (free - no registration or log in required).

I do, however, pay 9 chufs a month for Swisscom TV Air (requiring registration and log in), which enables me unlimited viewing, without eating my monthly MBs, when not on wifi.

I can still log out from TV Air and watch anonymously, if I so choose. Just done it to double check.


Therefore, if one could prove that an unregistered Swisscom TV app. was their only viewing option, then technically they wouldn't be subject to the TV part of Billag.

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I don't believe this is completely accurate.
There is a chance

Earlier I tried to watch TV (Swisscom TV 2.0) while on a mobile network - and logged out. No-go.

Now I am logged out of the app, but am able to watch being on the WiFi (of my Swisscom VDSL).

Oh well

Outing: I watch TV. I pay Billag. /me hangs his head in shame
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