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Re: seal TV socket, avoid Billag

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It's wrong approach. You need to make your TV not capable of receiving TV signal... How... well up to you. You could seal TV antenna input or remove it completely. If you have a device incapable of receiving TV signal (PC screen, TV with such capability removed, etc) and you don't have any IPtv account then you don't have to pay for TV licence.

This is CONFIRMED info from bilag (from their customer service).


I think TV manufacturers should start making products for the Swiss Market with the antenna features removed..
C'mon , the first year TV fee adds up to the price of a nice model.. where's the TCO approach !?
(unfortunately the voting most likely will kill this business opportunity)
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Old 12.06.2015, 11:22
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Re: seal TV socket, avoid Billag

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It's wrong approach. You need to make your TV not capable of receiving TV signal... How... well up to you. You could seal TV antenna input or remove it completely. If you have a device incapable of receiving TV signal (PC screen, TV with such capability removed, etc) and you don't have any IPtv account then you don't have to pay for TV licence.

This is CONFIRMED info from bilag (from their customer service).
It is even on the Billag FAQ, so hardly a secret. https://www.billag.ch/private/faq/

But the part I higlited in bold is the problem, then as newtoswitz says:


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What do you mean by "socket sealing"?

Standard Cablecom internet still includes the basic TV channels, can you provide a link to a real "internet only" Cablecom package?
No, Cablecom Internet always includes a IP-TV package.
Horizon Go including MyPrime Light

http://www.upc-cablecom.ch/en/internet/products/

Cablecom Internet == Billag TV and Radio license.
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Old 12.06.2015, 11:50
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I think TV manufacturers should start making products for the Swiss Market with the antenna features removed..
C'mon , the first year TV fee adds up to the price of a nice model.. where's the TCO approach !?
(unfortunately the voting most likely will kill this business opportunity)
We voted today, 2x YES!

(or, more precisely, 2x YES NO NO YES)

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Old 12.06.2015, 11:52
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Re: seal TV socket, avoid Billag

Look at the "What is a receiving device?" question in the mentioned FAQ. Just having a computer with internet connection or a mobile device with FM/AM capabilities makes you to pay Billag
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Old 12.06.2015, 11:53
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(unfortunately the voting most likely will kill this business opportunity)
Not necessarily...last polls I saw were tending to a no.
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Old 12.06.2015, 12:08
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Look at the "What is a receiving device?" question in the mentioned FAQ. Just having a computer with internet connection or a mobile device with FM/AM capabilities makes you to pay Billag
Correct, even a mobile device, like a smartphone, that can receive internet over wifi is Billagpflichtig.
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Old 12.06.2015, 12:21
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Correct, even a mobile device, like a smartphone, that can receive internet over wifi is Billagpflichtig.
Are you saying that in Switzerland there is no such thing as free pawn
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Old 12.06.2015, 12:39
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Re: seal TV socket, avoid Billag

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What do you mean by "socket sealing"?

Standard Cablecom internet still includes the basic TV channels, can you provide a link to a real "internet only" Cablecom package?
Back in the old days, you could avoid the Billag charge by having somebody (I think from the PTT, but I'm not totally sure) physically put a seal over your socket to prove you weren't using it. When the Billag inspector came, you would show him the seal was still in place and he would be happy you hadn't been using it.

I think this service is no longer offered. Nowadays its much easier just to cancel your Cablecom basic charge (if this is included in the rent, your landlord needs to do it on your behalf).

But some people still refer to it as a sealing of the socket.

Of course in the Op's case, this would involve also losing cablecom Internet.
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Old 12.06.2015, 12:51
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Back in the old days, you could avoid the Billag charge by having somebody (I think from the PTT, but I'm not totally sure) physically put a seal over your socket to prove you weren't using it. When the Billag inspector came, you would show him the seal was still in place and he would be happy you hadn't been using it.

I think this service is no longer offered. Nowadays its much easier just to cancel your Cablecom basic charge (if this is included in the rent, your landlord needs to do it on your behalf).

But some people still refer to it as a sealing of the socket.

Of course in the Op's case, this would involve also losing cablecom Internet.
They still actually seal the socket. Someone comes round from Cablecom puts a sticker/seal on the socket that blocks all the connections. Should it later turn out that the seal is broken, etc. then Cablecom would still charge you.

However, sealing the socket only gets you out of paying the basice Cablecom charges (usually included as part of the rent ancillary costs (Nebenkosten)). If you do so, the landlord cannot claim these costs.

It does not address the issue of Billag, which may still be due due to mobile connectivity, etc.
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Old 12.06.2015, 12:58
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Look at the "What is a receiving device?" question in the mentioned FAQ. Just having a computer with internet connection or a mobile device with FM/AM capabilities makes you to pay Billag

There is a Billag Radio License and there is a Billag TV Lincense. Two separate things. Billag TV License can be avoided. Billag Radio License is more tricky if you are a modern human being and do not want to break the law. OP wants to avoid Billag TV License and is completely aware that he is still liable for Billag Radio License.
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Old 12.06.2015, 13:13
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the internet and the TV channels are coming from the two diff type ones..
No, it's a different connector but the cable behind it is the same.

You can even get adapters, so you can basically connect anything to any of those outlets.

Sealing one connector and not the other therefore proves nothing.
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Old 12.06.2015, 13:16
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Look at the "What is a receiving device?" question in the mentioned FAQ. Just having a computer with internet connection or a mobile device with FM/AM capabilities makes you to pay Billag
How do they defining having?

If the device is nominally owned by somebody else, and I don't use or store it at home but scrounge off the free WiFi in the library and places like that, does Billag consider that as having?
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Old 12.06.2015, 17:12
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You might want to wait until after Sunday's vote before you do anything...
If your car has a radio (all do these days) you have to Licence it I guess?
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Re: seal TV socket, avoid Billag

Guy in Immigration Office told me once that even if you have a smartphone with an internet access it means that you can watch Swiss TV and listen Swiss radio. It means that you have to pay Billag almost in any case.
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Old 12.06.2015, 17:22
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Correct, even a mobile device, like a smartphone, that can receive internet over wifi is Billagpflichtig.
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Guy in Immigration Office told me once that even if you have a smartphone with an internet access it means that you can watch Swiss TV and listen Swiss radio. It means that you have to pay Billag almost in any case.
Deja-vu all over again.

What about those people who hear radio on their fillings? Definitely would have to pay - to quote another thread, TIS.
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Guy in Immigration Office told me once that even if you have a smartphone with an internet access it means that you can watch Swiss TV and listen Swiss radio. It means that you have to pay Billag almost in any case.
Yes, but only if you have internet access and even then only just a Radio license. Unless you have a subscription with an IP-TV provider (free or paid). Then you would need a TV license as well.

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If your car has a radio (all do these days) you have to Licence it I guess?
Yes a Radio license. Which is not the same as a TV license. If you have a TV license only, you must not have a Radio device.
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Re: seal TV socket, avoid Billag

If you have a TV in your Flat and use any antenna or connection, you will have to pay the full amount (465 sfr), if you have a smartphone, PC or a radio in the car (or whatever), you have to pay the minimun of 166 sfr per year. Better save 300 sfr, don't have a TV(there is only crap, advertising etc), means using
a big screen for you PC and download whatever you want (legal in switzerland).
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If you have a TV in your Flat and use any antenna or connection, you will have to pay the full amount (465 sfr),
How can you listen Radio with a TV? If you really have no radio device (hard to belive but possible) then you only own the TV license part.
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Re: seal TV socket, avoid Billag

This is how
https://www.swisscom.ch/en/residenti...ung/radio.html
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Re: seal TV socket, avoid Billag

Anyway, that was yesterday. Now every household pays the full price. Regardless if you have a device or not.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/directdemocr...eform/41481762
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