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Recommendations for second hand phone please

Hi all,
Quick question to the tech savvy… What's the best phone I can get second hand these days (I use it for internet surfing mainly, mediocre photos, whatsapp and the app postcard creator --> has to be android as the latter isn't available on iphone…). I have my own sim-card. Budget up to say 200,-?


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Re: Recommendations for second hand phone please

With the M9 released, if you can get your hands on the flagship (from last year) HTC One M8 - you'll be pretty happy with the phone.

Great cam, super fast, long battery life (compared to other flagships).
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Re: Recommendations for second hand phone please

a used LG G3/2, Xperia Z2/1
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Re: Recommendations for second hand phone please

Currently, those M8's that have bids on ricardo are a bit above 200 - or quite some time before auction-closing.

AFAIK, HTC was one of those vendors who was relatively speed with updates.
Not sure, how well previous generations of Android-phones are supported with updates, when even flagship-products lag weeks and months.

From that perspective, an iPhone is a sure winner.
Even iOS9 (to be released this fall) will support my iPhone 4S, which was available in stores from October 2011.
Are you sure that App isn't available on iOS?
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Re: Recommendations for second hand phone please

Aha, turns out the app is indeed available (I had only tried months ago and not since then). So is an iPhone better?? And if so which one for today's ever faster and heavier internet?
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Aha, turns out the app is indeed available (I had only tried months ago and not since then). So is an iPhone better?? And if so which one for today's ever faster and heavier internet?
That depends entirely on your definition of "better".
(this is also the TL;DR-version, in case you're short on time)

Various aspects of the Apple-iOS-ecosystem make it better suited for me (for example, I don't subscribe to any Google-services and have no intention doing so - an Android-phone would be useless at best under these circumstances).
Apple's hardware is usually slower on paper, but efficiencies in iOS usually make up for it (but you don't win any spec-sheet nerd-contests with that) - and the built quality is usually much better.
As I said, Apple's OS-upgrades are usually available on all supported devices at the same time (though certain bugs may only appear on some hardware and thus you will wait for a fix until the next bugfix-release) - they have consistently shown to support their hardware for four years.
Android hardware usually doesn't get software updates/fixes after 18 months. Depending on the vendor, you won't get any updates, ever.
iOS devices are almost absolutely virus/malware proof and can be made useless to any thief, thus making the theft unattractive.
Personally, I like how consistent IOS is and how little it is customizable. On the Android-phone we have for on-call work I can't even find the phone-icon to make a call, as the resident (f)android-geek has customized it to the brink.
As it's a huge Galaxy 3 Note, I have no use for it and just carry the old iPhone 3G (without S) - it's still enough to make calls and send texts, which is all I want to do from a phone.
I don't want to do system-administration from a phone.
BTW, recently that Note3 broke down (more or less two years after purchase) and is being replaced. That old iPhone 3G I use was put into service almost six years ago...


Anyway:
The only problem is that 200 CHF won't buy you much of a last-generation iPhone (5S). I think you could get an iPhone 5 (the late-2012 model) from ricardo, depending on how much memory you need/want.

I recently came across this review from a guy who normally does reviews of mountainbikes, repair-tools for bikes and stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H0vNA8C5yU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-18mN0EtY

So, it's written from the perspective of a guy who uses Strava etc. a lot.
It does have some bias towards Android, but he's a very technical user.

Ultimately, I can't fault anybody for not liking iOS.
But for me, it's perfect. Almost everything works out of the box, no tinkering, no tweaking required (I don't have time to do system-administration on my phone, for gods sake), the apps are usually polished and I get the highest level of privacy for my data under the circumstances possible.
The perceived "freeness" (as in free beer) of Google-services is really just a smoke-screen for all your data being collected, correlated, data-mined and sold to the highest bidder for ads (and given to any government of the world, potentially)
That may not bother you now, but at some far point in the future it might and then you surely will rue the day you signed up for Google-whatever.

You might want to visit the Apple store - all current models (6 Plus, 6, 5S, 5C) are on display there and you can try them out.
http://store.apple.com/us/iphone/compare
Though I have to admit that the atmosphere in the Bahnhofstrasse-Store can only be described as absolutely exhausting at times due to the noise and the acoustics in there...I pity the people who have to work there (and earn a pittance).
The latest Apple phones (6, 6 Plus) have better cameras and NFC-support for secure wireless payments. They also come with bigger batteries (due to bigger displays - or vice-versa...) - this probably helps them in conjunction with the Apple watch, which somewhat relies on the compute-power of the phone it's tethered to...
Well, there's a lot more. But you should really try and see for yourself. That's what the Apple Store are really for.
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Re: Recommendations for second hand phone please

Still a bit at a loss because my main concern, at this point, is battery life (whilst regularly browsing the Internet on the phone, maybe 2-3h a day during the commute and breaks) + a couple phone calls, whatsapp and that. Any recommendations as to best phone for a Long-ish battery life (2-3 days? am I dreaming with 3 days?)
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Still a bit at a loss because my main concern, at this point, is battery life (whilst regularly browsing the Internet on the phone, maybe 2-3h a day during the commute and breaks) + a couple phone calls, whatsapp and that. Any recommendations as to best phone for a Long-ish battery life (2-3 days? am I dreaming with 3 days?)
Why do you need to go 2-3 days without charging?
I have a crap phone, with a crap capacity battery which usually lasts a day, so I charge it every night, overnight, whilst I'm sleeping (same with my iPad mini, too, re. nightly charging).
I also have in-car charging and a small, portable battery pack, if needed.

I actually prefer it this way - there would be nothing worse, than going out in the morning with 30-40% capacity, wondering if it's going to last the day.

The battery wont last forever, with daily charging - but neither will the phone, which will probably die first, anyway.

Alternatively, to carry the charger and cable, in your bag when you go out, isn't a problem either - minimal space and weight.

...... and if you're buying second hand, you have no guarantee that even high capacity original batteries aren't already shagged to half their capacity - so you could end up needing to replace it, anyway.


However, I recall on another fairly recent thread, similar to this, someone extolling the virtues of their phones battery life, with a capacity of something like 4000 mAh - and lasting about 6 days.
Can't remember the phone, though- you could try to search it out.
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Re: Recommendations for second hand phone please

Quite apart from any IOS / Android bias, unless you are going to take the phone to a shop to replace a battery I wouldn't consider any secondhand phone without a replaceable battery, which rules out all iphones and too many android phones.

Is windows an option? I played with a Lumia something in Digitec that was 199 chf it was super smooth and put many a more expensive android device to shame.
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Quite apart from any IOS / Android bias, unless you are going to take the phone to a shop to replace a battery I wouldn't consider any secondhand phone without a replaceable battery, which rules out all iphones and too many android phones.

Is windows an option? I played with a Lumia something in Digitec that was 199 chf it was super smooth and put many a more expensive android device to shame.
The battery on the iPhone isn't "unreplaceable" - it's just not user-serviceable.
The cost is 80 CHF (plus 17 p+p, if you can't visit in-store).
That is for a certified repair. Not some fake.
In a recent test carried out by German c't magazine, twelve out of twelve Samsung batteries from eBay (or alibaba) were fake.

The people with the "no user-serviceable battery = no purchase"-mantra will soon run out of phones to choose from (or need to change their mantra).

There are external battery-packs ("powerbanks") you can carry if the capacity of one battery is not enough.
https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product...ds=82#f=146012

As for Windows Phone: AFAIK, it's gotten better - but the App ecosystem isn't there yet (not to speak of connectivity to 3rd-party devices via Bluetooth or even things like cases) and the long-term future of that platform is still not on save grounds. You can only hope that MSFT doesn't run out of money before it takes off. If it takes off at all.
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The battery on the iPhone isn't "unreplaceable" - it's just not user-serviceable.
I know, I replaced mine myself but the majority of people wont want to open up their phones.

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The people with the "no user-serviceable battery = no purchase"-mantra will soon run out of phones to choose from (or need to change their mantra).
Nah, that won't happen.

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There are external battery-packs ("powerbanks") you can carry if the capacity of one battery is not enough.
I've got one, and a spare battery, the battery is my preferred option because it's a pain to walk around with the phone in hand while plugged into a battery pack.
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Re: Recommendations for second hand phone please

Hi,


the thing is why go for a second hand phone? All you have to do is look at last year's generation of phone or even the year before and you can some really good deals I have a personal Android phone and an iPhone for work and to be honest the iPhone is so poor in comparison. If you have a reason to stay in the Apple walled garden then maybe the iPhone might work for you. However, there are lots of better alternatives that will not cost you as much and will offer a lot more.


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As for Windows Phone: AFAIK, it's gotten better - but the App ecosystem isn't there yet (not to speak of connectivity to 3rd-party devices via Bluetooth or even things like cases) and the long-term future of that platform is still not on save grounds. You can only hope that MSFT doesn't run out of money before it takes off. If it takes off at all.
Sorry - thread hi-jack:

I was looking at purchasing the M$ (not Nokia) Lumia 535 (dual SIM) for an upcoming trip to the UK, as a UK SIM seems to be my best option for calls and data, and my current Android is only single SIM.

https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...-phone-3495867

Although my Android is not a good or expensive one, I don't want to have to get into the whole time consuming and costly business of searching for a full phone upgrade at the moment ......... but paying just over a hundred for what seems to be good spec. for money, I can justify.

However, having looked a bit, have also considered a Moto G (2nd gen./3G) at about 185 chufs, or pick up a Moto G LTE/4G in Blighty for £130 (190 chufs) - but this would be nearly doubling what I wanted to pay.

Not forgetting, that my Android phone is still serviceable - but if I do change phones, I would need to reduce my existing SIM size from standard to micro - meaning I wouldn't be able to use that SIM and number, back in the Android phone, anyway.

Or just buy a very basic, cheap phone for the UK SIM and carry two phones.

Any thoughts - primarily about buying the Windows phone.
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Not forgetting, that my Android phone is still serviceable - but if I do change phones, I would need to reduce my existing SIM size from standard to micro - meaning I wouldn't be able to use that SIM and number, back in the Android phone, anyway.

There are adapters.
I use one to put the SIM that is normally used in our Samsung Note 3 (that I refuse to use) into the old iPhone 3G on-call phone.
Swisscom sold us one for 5 CHF...
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There are adapters.
I use one to put the SIM that is normally used in our Samsung Note 3 (that I refuse to use) into the old iPhone 3G on-call phone.
Swisscom sold us one for 5 CHF...
Aren't adapters only for 'small to big'?
I would be going from 'big to small'


ETA: OK - dumb head on ..... you meant having reduced SIM size, use an adapter to replace back in old Android phone, as and if required, afterwards.
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Re: Recommendations for second hand phone please

You can buy a new latest model Motorola Moto G with 5" screen and 4G for less than 200 francs. I bought one a few months ago and it is brilliant. It can do everything you want and more.
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You can buy a new latest model Motorola Moto G with 5" screen and 4G for less than 200 francs. I bought one a few months ago and it is brilliant. It can do everything you want and more.
Where did you buy it from? - I couldn't find the 4G on Toppreise or Digitec.
I also thought that the latest had 4.5" screen(?) - which would suit me better.

Link to UK seller site: http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Devi...8&colour=Black

Have you used the front-facing camera, yet? If yes, how did you find the 1.3 MP resolution - i have about the same on my Android phone ..... and it ain't brilliant.
That's what drew me also to the M$ Lumia, was that both front and back were 5 MP.


ETA: I must have been confusing it with another one, as it is on Toppreise - but it still only offers 4.5" screen.
ETA2: I now see Conrad have a 2nd gen. 4G, 5" on offer - but with card fees and shipping takes the price to over 210.

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ETA2: I now see Conrad have a 2nd gen. 4G, 5" on offer - but with card fees and shipping takes the price to over 210.
Not really, if you put in the code CO12PROM (12% off) then your total cost for the Motorola Moto G LTE (2. Generation) LTE is CHF 188.85

Bruttopreis inkl. MwSt. CHF 199.95
Gewährter Rabatt durch den Gutschein - CHF 23.99
zzgl. Versandkosten CHF 8.95
zzgl. Verpackungskosten CHF 3.95
Gesamtpreis inkl. MwSt. CHF 188.85
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Not really, if you put in the code CO12PROM (12% off) then your total cost for the Motorola Moto G LTE (2. Generation) LTE is CHF 188.85

Bruttopreis inkl. MwSt. CHF 199.95
Gewährter Rabatt durch den Gutschein - CHF 23.99
zzgl. Versandkosten CHF 8.95
zzgl. Verpackungskosten CHF 3.95
Gesamtpreis inkl. MwSt. CHF 188.85
I was just going with the info. on the Toppreise page - which also listed shipping at 12,90 (same as above) .... but will check the official Conrad site.
However, that's for 5" - whereas 4.5" will fit better in my pocket.
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Aren't adapters only for 'small to big'?
I would be going from 'big to small'


ETA: OK - dumb head on ..... you meant having reduced SIM size, use an adapter to replace back in old Android phone, as and if required, afterwards.
You can usually get a new SIM and keep the number.
You just can't have them active at the same time ;-)
I've never changed my number here and did change SIM-size once.
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