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Dirty UPC Product Tying - Is this legal?

I Currently I am using a 250mbit Internet Only connection from UPC Cablecom.

Right now I see they are offering 500mbit but only if you get it as a bundle with an expensive TV and Phone package.

I am NOT interested in TV and a fixed phone line. So this means that if I want to get a 500mbit connection I would have to pay a lot for something I do not need and which is a complete different set of services.

UPC is using Product Tying to increase their revenue by bundling unrelated services without any choice on the customers part.

Is this kind of thing legal in Switzerland?
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Old 20.08.2015, 17:02
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UPC is using Product Tying to increase their revenue by bundling unrelated services without any choice on the customers part.

Is this kind of thing legal in Switzerland?
Why on earth would it not be legal? They're not forcing you to do anything. There are other packages and other suppliers. It's not as if you need a 500Mbit connection as some sort of human right.
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Why on earth would it not be legal? They're not forcing you to do anything. There are other packages and other suppliers. It's not as if you need a 500Mbit connection as some sort of human right.
If you watch porn every day, than yes it is an absolute necessity!
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Re: Dirty UPC Product Tying - Is this legal?

1. Were I live there is no other supplier able to deliver high speed broadband
2. Who are you to decide for me if I need 500mbit or not!!??
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Old 20.08.2015, 17:11
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1. Were I live there is no other supplier able to deliver high speed broadband
2. Who are you to decide for me if I need 500mbit or not!!??
1. Unlucky.

2. I didn't. I pointed out that there were no human rights issues that could even remotely make this illegal. Come back when they won't supply water without TV, and I might take you seriously. Right now, you just seem like a whiney brat.
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Old 20.08.2015, 17:24
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UPC is using Product Tying to increase their revenue by bundling unrelated services without any choice on the customers part. . . .
Cablecom is not alone in this dastardly practice of bundling products into packages. Swisscom (which you apparently can't get there) is at it too, giving you an unwanted TV subscription with an internet connection: https://www.swisscom.ch/en/residenti...et/offers.html
From the technical point of view, internet and TV are not completely unrelated, since the TV content is delivered as internet data packets.
Incidentally, what are you going to do with 500MBit ? Join two data centers together ?
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Old 20.08.2015, 17:38
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I Currently I am using a 250mbit Internet Only connection from UPC Cablecom.

Right now I see they are offering 500mbit but only if you get it as a bundle with an expensive TV and Phone package.

I am NOT interested in TV and a fixed phone line. So this means that if I want to get a 500mbit connection I would have to pay a lot for something I do not need and which is a complete different set of services.

UPC is using Product Tying to increase their revenue by bundling unrelated services without any choice on the customers part.

Is this kind of thing legal in Switzerland?
forget it. upc is crap anyway. the only you're likely to get 500mbit for are speedtests and bittorrent peers on the same upc network. outside upc, connections can be pretty poor and laggy.

they only get away with it as there isn't much alternatively. i have something like the 150meg connection and is far worse than the 60/60 i used to have.
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Re: Dirty UPC Product Tying - Is this legal?

[QUOTE=mirfield;2436781]1. Unlucky.
Come back when they won't supply water without TV, and I might take you seriously.

or free beer
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forget it. upc is crap anyway. the only you're likely to get 500mbit for are speedtests and bittorrent peers on the same upc network. outside upc, connections can be pretty poor and laggy.

they only get away with it as there isn't much alternatively. i have something like the 150meg connection and is far worse than the 60/60 i used to have.
Then you have a problem with your connection. I get the max speed of my package or even higher virtually all the time.
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Then you have a problem with your connection. I get the max speed of my package or even higher virtually all the time.
With the emphasise on virtual?
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Cablecom is not alone in this dastardly practice of bundling products into packages. Swisscom (which you apparently can't get there) is at it tootogether ?
I can get Swisscom but well......the speed they offer is not what I would consider broadband nowadays!
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forget it. upc is crap anyway. the only you're likely to get 500mbit for are speedtests and bittorrent peers on the same upc network. outside upc, connections can be pretty poor and laggy.

they only get away with it as there isn't much alternatively. i have something like the 150meg connection and is far worse than the 60/60 i used to have.
What you say is not always true. In the village were I live we get the full 250mbit. Not just local peers. Bittorrents and usenet downloads normally go up to 31MB/sec which is the full 250 mbit bandwidth.

I know that UPC oversubscribes their lines in the city but her in the Swiss outback it delivers what it sells!
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With the emphasise on virtual?
No emphasis at all... would you understand it better if I used normally instead or is that difficult to comprehend also?
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No emphasis at all... would you understand it better if I used normally instead or is that difficult to comprehend also?
"difficult to comprehend also?"

Do your best, I think that I know what you are trying to say.
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Maybe you will feel better after a nap.
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Re: Dirty UPC Product Tying - Is this legal?

I'm happy I got my 125 when I did.
And the price fundamentally isn't bad if you consider 250 was 89 on its own IIRC.

Just wait a little while.
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Maybe you will feel better after a nap.

You probably mean "after nap also" . Do I sound sleepy? I am wide awake also.
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I Currently I am using a 250mbit Internet Only connection from UPC Cablecom.

Right now I see they are offering 500mbit but only if you get it as a bundle with an expensive TV and Phone package.

I am NOT interested in TV and a fixed phone line. So this means that if I want to get a 500mbit connection I would have to pay a lot for something I do not need and which is a complete different set of services.

UPC is using Product Tying to increase their revenue by bundling unrelated services without any choice on the customers part.

Is this kind of thing legal in Switzerland?
UPC Cablecom will likely upgrade you to 500Mbps within a few months anyway - and charge you a few more CHF each month for it.

The sad thing is you won't notice any difference from 250Mbps...
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Re: Dirty UPC Product Tying - Is this legal?

They offer 1 GB/sec-and you call that nothing???? And with that you can opt out of phone and just have TV light-139 CHF. With UPC you will pay 159 CHF with only 500 Mb/sec
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I can get Swisscom but well......the speed they offer is not what I would consider broadband nowadays!

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Soon there's 1 Gbit/s from Sunrise for CHF 105.–
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