Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > TV/internet/telephone
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 24.08.2015, 11:49
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Bern
Posts: 13
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
ecosse_011172 has made some interesting contributions
Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

Hi,

I've been with Cablecom for years and reasonably happy, I have a fiberoptic connection and use the digicard in my TV..
However, I'm considering moving to Swisscom for the 1GBit/s up/down internet and the ability to rent Champions League matches or the additional tele club sport channels.

I am concerned about the TV image quality being significantly inferior compared to Cablecom.

Has anyone compared the two?
Any other pros/cons?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 24.08.2015, 17:28
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Fribourg
Posts: 423
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 200 Times in 100 Posts
Millso has made some interesting contributions
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

It's digital tv so the image quality shouldn't change if we ignore SD vs HD channels (I think they offer the same versions but not sure).

I have UPC at home and Swisscom in work. Image is impeccable from both (with slight quality differences due to the projector/tv).

Only pro/cons I would say is the price of Swisscom tv vs UPC.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 24.08.2015, 17:34
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 13,716
Groaned at 209 Times in 181 Posts
Thanked 11,029 Times in 6,254 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

Quote:
View Post
It's digital tv so the image quality shouldn't change (unless one offers a HD channel version that the other doesn't).
Quality will depend on data rate / compression used for delivery.
Quality can vary hugely, depending on workflow & previous compressions in the production process.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 24.08.2015, 18:12
Phos's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ZRH
Posts: 7,177
Groaned at 462 Times in 350 Posts
Thanked 9,364 Times in 4,926 Posts
Phos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

Quote:
View Post
Quality will depend on data rate / compression used for delivery.
Quality can vary hugely, depending on workflow & previous compressions in the production process.
For SwissCom TV 2.0, I think reliable bandwidth determines your quality. Some neighbourhoods are not reachable with SwissCom fiber optic. Mine is not, and the image quality sometimes stutters on the main box on the weekends. I suppose I am sharing the bandwidth with my neighbours.

I got a second SwissCom TV 2.0 box and used a Devolo range extender. It was not watchable for over 50% of the time. SwissCom shipped me their range extender, and now TV is watchable. Although at times, sound quality suffers.

I think my issues are mainly due to not having fiber available. But even with fiber, I suppose you would be sharing the bandwidth with your neighbours.

Hope that helps and addresses your question.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Phos for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 24.08.2015, 20:35
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Bern
Posts: 13
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
ecosse_011172 has made some interesting contributions
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

Quote:
View Post
For SwissCom TV 2.0, I think reliable bandwidth determines your quality. Some neighbourhoods are not reachable with SwissCom fiber optic. Mine is not, and the image quality sometimes stutters on the main box on the weekends. I suppose I am sharing the bandwidth with my neighbours.

I got a second SwissCom TV 2.0 box and used a Devolo range extender. It was not watchable for over 50% of the time. SwissCom shipped me their range extender, and now TV is watchable. Although at times, sound quality suffers.

I think my issues are mainly due to not having fiber available. But even with fiber, I suppose you would be sharing the bandwidth with your neighbours.

Hope that helps and addresses your question.
Thanks for your post.
I'm hoping for a Swisscom 2.0 Fibreoptic customer that has used Cablecom too
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 25.08.2015, 14:27
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Fribourg
Posts: 423
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 200 Times in 100 Posts
Millso has made some interesting contributions
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

I tried to give a simple answer to a simple enough question and in the majority of cases the image quality should be similar. Personally, image quality speaks about the picture quality during normal operation. This does not take into account whether the service is over subscribed, if technicians laid faulty wiring, if the equipment has a technical fault etc etc ((which I consider quality of service issues). Just the image quality the majority of the time for the majority of people.

Quote:
For SwissCom TV 2.0, I think reliable bandwidth determines your quality.
I'm not familiar with the technical aspects of swisscom tv 2.0 but "standard" HD data streams use around 4-5mbit per second (for 1080p) with up to 9 or 10 for 3d HD movies. Swisscom may use different compression algorithms which may up or lower this but it is (I imagine) a fairly safe guestimate. If the OP is contemplating a gigabit connection I don't think raw data rates will be his problem and therefore should have the best available image quality that Swisscom provides ( which I argue is comparable to best image quality UPC provides).

Quote:
I got a second SwissCom TV 2.0 box and used a Devolo range extender. It was not watchable for over 50% of the time. SwissCom shipped me their range extender, and now TV is watchable. Although at times, sound quality suffers.
If I understand you properly your TV 2.0 box is connected wirelessly to your internet box? If so, wireless signals are subject to all kinds of interference and quality degradation. If this is the case, I'd hazard a guess that running a cable between your internet box and the tv box will sort most, if not all, of your issues (Swisscom TV 2.0 manual even recommends running a cable if possible for improved quality of service). If I have misunderstood your situation I apologise

Anecdotal evidence for the OP: My downstairs neighbour has Swisscom Tv 2.0 on a fairly modern 40" LED tv while I have UPC connected to a 9year old 50" plasma tv. The image quality (while accounting for LED vs Plasma differences) is pretty much unnoticeable to me; both are clear and crisp with impeccable sound. Quality of service differences I can't speak to however (we also get stuttering from time to time with UPC, usually during storms and then only with some channels meaning that it's possibly the source coming into UPC that's the problem rather than their diffusion network). I'll send my neighbour a message to ask if he's noticed much of a difference with image quality since switching from Swisscom tv to TV 2.0 and whether he had UPC before that.

Hope this is of some help to somebody
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Millso for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 25.08.2015, 14:56
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 13,716
Groaned at 209 Times in 181 Posts
Thanked 11,029 Times in 6,254 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

Quote:
View Post
I tried to give a simple answer to a simple enough question and in the majority of cases the image quality should be similar. Personally, image quality speaks about the picture quality during normal operation. This does not take into account whether the service is over subscribed, if technicians laid faulty wiring, if the equipment has a technical fault etc etc ((which I consider quality of service issues). Just the image quality the majority of the time for the majority of people.


I'm not familiar with the technical aspects of swisscom tv 2.0 but "standard" HD data streams use around 4-5mbit per second (for 1080p) with up to 9 or 10 for 3d HD movies. Swisscom may use different compression algorithms which may up or lower this but it is (I imagine) a fairly safe guestimate. If the OP is contemplating a gigabit connection I don't think raw data rates will be his problem and therefore should have the best available image quality that Swisscom provides ( which I argue is comparable to best image quality UPC provides).


If I understand you properly your TV 2.0 box is connected wirelessly to your internet box? If so, wireless signals are subject to all kinds of interference and quality degradation. If this is the case, I'd hazard a guess that running a cable between your internet box and the tv box will sort most, if not all, of your issues (Swisscom TV 2.0 manual even recommends running a cable if possible for improved quality of service). If I have misunderstood your situation I apologise

Anecdotal evidence for the OP: My downstairs neighbour has Swisscom Tv 2.0 on a fairly modern 40" LED tv while I have UPC connected to a 9year old 50" plasma tv. The image quality (while accounting for LED vs Plasma differences) is pretty much unnoticeable to me; both are clear and crisp with impeccable sound. Quality of service differences I can't speak to however (we also get stuttering from time to time with UPC, usually during storms and then only with some channels meaning that it's possibly the source coming into UPC that's the problem rather than their diffusion network). I'll send my neighbour a message to ask if he's noticed much of a difference with image quality since switching from Swisscom tv to TV 2.0 and whether he had UPC before that.

Hope this is of some help to somebody
Is your 9 year old TV even HD, probably not 1920 x 1080..... Perhaps both you & your neighbour are watching in SD.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 25.08.2015, 16:15
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Fribourg
Posts: 423
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 200 Times in 100 Posts
Millso has made some interesting contributions
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

Oops good point , now that you mention it the plasma's not Full HD, rather HD ready (1080p but only 1380 x XXXX resolution).

Guess that weakens my case with regards to my ability to judge image quality
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 30.08.2015, 11:51
omtatsat's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zürich
Posts: 3,575
Groaned at 384 Times in 201 Posts
Thanked 1,120 Times in 719 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

its more likely the reverse that you should consider. Cablecom TV hardly touches the quality of Swisscom
Quote:
View Post
Hi,

I've been with Cablecom for years and reasonably happy, I have a fiberoptic connection and use the digicard in my TV..
However, I'm considering moving to Swisscom for the 1GBit/s up/down internet and the ability to rent Champions League matches or the additional tele club sport channels.

I am concerned about the TV image quality being significantly inferior compared to Cablecom.

Has anyone compared the two?
Any other pros/cons?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 30.08.2015, 13:08
AbFab's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Zürich
Posts: 6,502
Groaned at 304 Times in 201 Posts
Thanked 8,080 Times in 2,887 Posts
AbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

Quote:
View Post
its more likely the reverse that you should consider. Cablecom TV hardly touches the quality of Swisscom
Have you any evidence or links to substantiate this sweeping statement??
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 30.08.2015, 13:16
omtatsat's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zürich
Posts: 3,575
Groaned at 384 Times in 201 Posts
Thanked 1,120 Times in 719 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

The Horizon is anyhow to throw away



"Zur Horizon Box: Finger Weg!
Das Gerät war schon in Holland sch.. und UPC hatte die Frechheit, ein Jahr später, fast das gleiche Modell (inkl. Kinderkrankheiten) in die Schweiz auszuliefern. Die "Vorteile" der Box wären nett, aber wahrscheinlich erst in 2-3 Jahren.
Wie es mit 2. und 3. Boxen aussieht, kann ich nicht sagen."
http://www.pctipp.ch/forum/showthrea...om-vs-Cablecom


http://community.upc-cablecom.ch/t5/...ion/td-p/52235
Quote:
View Post
Have you any evidence or links to substantiate this sweeping statement??
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 30.08.2015, 13:24
AbFab's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Zürich
Posts: 6,502
Groaned at 304 Times in 201 Posts
Thanked 8,080 Times in 2,887 Posts
AbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

Quote:
View Post
The Horizon is anyhow to throw away



"Zur Horizon Box: Finger Weg!
Das Gerät war schon in Holland sch.. und UPC hatte die Frechheit, ein Jahr später, fast das gleiche Modell (inkl. Kinderkrankheiten) in die Schweiz auszuliefern. Die "Vorteile" der Box wären nett, aber wahrscheinlich erst in 2-3 Jahren.
Wie es mit 2. und 3. Boxen aussieht, kann ich nicht sagen."
http://www.pctipp.ch/forum/showthrea...om-vs-Cablecom
So what you meant is someone experienced a problem with a UPC Cablecom Horizon box.

I have been with CC since they were called "Redifusion". This was before the internet was invented. I currently have an HD Mediabox Recorder Classic. I have no complaints, other then the HD channels default to 'Nar' for sound instead of English Dolby. Picture quality is faultless...
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 30.08.2015, 13:31
omtatsat's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zürich
Posts: 3,575
Groaned at 384 Times in 201 Posts
Thanked 1,120 Times in 719 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Cablecom vs Swisscom (Image Quality)

Swisscom is simply known for better quality.

I have had both and I know this from experience
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Swisscom vs Cablecom Milan1981 TV/internet/telephone 88 29.06.2016 20:20
Comparison of Swisscom vs. Cablecom standardgirl TV/internet/telephone 71 30.04.2012 14:50
Swisscom TV image is too red ZONI TV/internet/telephone 8 04.05.2010 15:40
Cablecom vs Swisscom and minimum contract period. Gaggiol0 TV/internet/telephone 26 16.02.2008 17:52


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 21:39.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0