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I was told on the internet that even if I have the equipment receive radio and/or TV I don't have to pay Billag.
Well you don't, if it is not connected up, it is not able to receive, you are obviously exempt! But I think you have posted on the wrong thread, - what does Billag have to do with identity cards and entering Germany?!
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Old 04.09.2015, 10:44
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Re: Switzerland to Germany with a recently expired ID?

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Well you don't, if it is not connected up, it is not able to receive.
A device which can not receive TV broadcast signals is not a TV. A TV is a device, once you connect it to an aerial or cable TV outlet, does display TV broadcast signals.

Either you have a TV or you do not a TV. (Remember what the T in TV means). What you have is a MV.
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Re: Switzerland to Germany with a recently expired ID?

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Do you honestly believe every border guard understands the law fully, or worse, that "the guy at the border said I could" defense would stand up?
It is one thing to knowingly take a risk and break the rules, something completely different if you honestly believe what you are doing is legal.
It is quite odd then that the border guard let us through!
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I also never take my passport with me, but I do not forget my ID card.
I only take my C-permit, which is sufficient. I never take my passport. I do not have an identity card.
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A device which can not receive TV broadcast signals is not a TV. A TV is a device, once you connect it to an aerial or cable TV outlet, does display TV broadcast signals.
Either you have a TV or you do not a TV. (Remember what the T in TV means). What you have is a MV.
I have a TV set, but it can't receive transmissions, as previously explained, thus I do not have to pay for a TV licence!
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I have a TV set, but it can't receive transmissions, as previously explained, thus I do not have to pay for a TV licence!
What about a radio? What about any sort of device connected to the internet?

Perhaps this can clarify what you need to pay
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What about a radio? What about any sort of device connected to the internet?

Perhaps this can clarify what you need to pay
As I have told you before, I do not need to pay the TV licence part of Billag fees. Moreover, the link clarifies nothing.
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I have a TV set, but it can't receive transmissions, as previously explained, thus I do not have to pay for a TV licence!
Than it is not a TV receiver (according to Swiss law). Please stop calling it a TV set, it is a screen which once in past may have been used as a TV set.

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What about a radio? What about any sort of device connected to the internet?
That's the one dodged. Most of use have a radio receiver according to the law.
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Re: Switzerland to Germany with a recently expired ID?

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As I have told you before, I do not need to pay the TV licence part of Billag fees. Moreover, the link clarifies nothing.
Yes it does - it stipulates (in English) what a "receiving device" is actually classified as:
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  • radios (including car radios), mobile phones with radio reception and computers (including tablets) with internet access
  • televisions, mobile phones with television reception and computers (including tablets) with internet access, if you have an account (including free accounts) with an internet television provider
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Yes it does - it stipulates (in English) what a "receiving device" is actually classified as:
For me (for the television part of it), the link clarifies nothing.

I have 2 television sets in my home, neither can receive live broadcasts. I am exempt from payment of the television part of Billag fees.

Nothing what Billag write on their website can be enforced in any case.
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For me (for the television part of it), the link clarifies nothing.

I have 2 television sets in my home, neither can receive live broadcasts. I am exempt from payment of the television part of Billag fees.

Nothing what Billag write on their website can be enforced in any case.
I am wondering why you have continually avoided the question of whether you pay for radio or not. Do pay the radio part of Billag?
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I am wondering why you have continually avoided the question of whether you pay for radio or not. Do pay the radio part of Billag?
Of course not. I have explained it previously when we had this same discussion on the Billag thread(s) or previous thread(s) that turned into Billag discussions! Why would anyone be silly enough to simply throw away money like that?

What is clear though is that you can have TV sets in your home(s) (which are not connected up/ready to receive live broadcasts/transmissions) and not pay Billag - and this is perfectly legal!
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Re: Switzerland to Germany with a recently expired ID?

Can you lot take your repetitive Billag argument elsewhere please?
There are enough places discussing this already and it really isn't relevant to the OP and his ID issue now is it?
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Re: Switzerland to Germany with a recently expired ID?

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What is clear though is that you can have TV sets in your home(s) (which are not connected up/ able to receive live broadcasts/transmissions) and not pay Billag - and this is perfectly legal!
The law is clear connected or not, stored in the cellar or attic, does not matter. All that's matter if it is a TV set, which possible capable to receive TV and display TV broadcast when you connect an aerial or connect it to any cable outlet. If it is not capable, because it has no corresponding tuner then it is not a TV set. If it has a corresponding tuner then it is a TV set.

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Anyone who has a device suitable for the reception of radio and television programme services (a receiver) that is ready for or in operation must pay a reception fee. The Federal Council determines which categories of equipment are deemed to be suitable for reception and determines in particular the conditions under which equipment which is also suitable for other applications (multi-functional devices) is subject to the obligation to pay fees and to notify.
The term "ready for" means you just have to set it up at the right place, plug in an aerial , and power it up.

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The following are subject to the obligation to notify and to pay fees for the reception of radio or television programme services:
a.devices which are intended for programme service reception or which include specific components intended exclusively for reception;
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a57
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https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a68
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The law is clear connected or not, stored in the cellar or attic, does not matter. All that's matter if it is a TV set, which possible capable to receive TV and display TV broadcast when you connect an aerial or connect it to any cable outlet. If it is not capable, because it has no corresponding tuner then it is not a TV set. If it has a corresponding tuner then it is a TV set.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a57
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https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a68
Understood. Since there are no longer any signals which can be received without extra equipment - such as non-sealed cable socket, satellite dish, set top box etc. (none of which I have) I remain exempt with my 2 TV sets on which I can only watch VHS/DVD.
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Understood. Since there are no longer any signals which can be received without extra equipment - such as non-sealed cable socket, satellite dish, set top box etc. (none of which I have) I remain exempt with my 2 TV sets on which I can only watch VHS/DVD.
I asked you many times before, does it have DVB (T, C, or S) tuner, or not?
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Sorry! I don't remember that precise question before! Answer: I don't know.
They are just 2 TV sets, one old heavy one (not in use), stored in home (not cellar). One (more modern - flat screen) in use for VHS/DVD, previously used by my neighbour who gave it to me when she bought a new one. I have made no adjustments to them.
The old bulky one is a anachronistic piece of furniture capable to display moving images once called a TV set. The other may be an actual TV set as described by the law. As you may see for yourself, the law does not care about having aerials, cable sockets (sealed or not), and antenna cables.
The mere fact that the device could be used to receive TV broadcasts is enough to need a TV license.

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One merge missing. Still answering.

The old bulky one is a anachronistic piece of furniture capable to display moving images once called a TV set. The other may be an actual TV set as described by the law. As you may see for yourself, the law does not care about having aerials, cable sockets (sealed or not), and antenna cables.
The mere fact that the device could be used to receive TV broadcasts is enough to need a TV license.

http://www.bvger.ch/publiws/pub/cach...ate=2010-06-02
Yes the answer window must have already been open whilst the merging had started. Apologies.

A long time ago when I did have some contact with Billag, I only had the older of the 2 sets mentioned. Back then the analogue signal hadn't been switched off and in theory I could have attached an aerial to pick up signals and watch television. We actually did try this, out of curiosity. We could only pick up the two Swiss Italian channels (nothing more) and when the cargo train went past to the rear of the block of flats, the picture jumped around in black and white! We eliminated the portable aerial by taking it to our home in Italy. The contact with Billag was over the phone and no visit took place. I described the set up of my TV set to the Billag officer: 'We have a TV set that can't receive programming. The Videocavo (cable TV) socket is sealed. I only use the set to allow my friend to play on a Nintendo Entertainment System. Do I have to pay the TV licence?' Response from Billag inspector: 'No'. I continued: 'there is no radio in my flat' (this was true back then), 'do I have to pay the radio licence?' Response from Billag guy: 'No'.

I was contacted after moving (within Ticino) once more by Billag. The situation for the TV was unchanged - the TV set remained present and as before not in use (not even for the gaming system). Probably by then the old analogue signals were switched off, I really don't know. I respectfully replied to Billag that I did not have a TV set in use and thus remained exempt. I have not heard from Billag since then (over 10 years ago), have changed my name and changed cantons. If I am contacted by Billag, I am not obliged to reply since for all they know the property I own could be empty and I could be living elsewhere.

As stated previously I do not personally need a TV licence. I can't receive programming with the devices I have and thus am exempt. I do not watch television (and I do not want to either). Billag can't come into my home to check the devices and even if they could/did, there is nothing to stop me altering the devices so that I could receive transmissions right after Billag have left the premises (something which I would/will not do in any case).
Hence my affirming that Billag fees can't be enforced, are not compulsory and the present system is a complete farce (so many people simply don't pay, and unlike me are actually watching TV and in your view in an illegal situation and abusing the system, it is my view though that they are simply saving money wisely) - a fact proven by the recent call and taking place of a referendum to change/update the system. What remains to be seen is if there will be an actual improvement on the matter.
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The term "ready for" means you just have to set it up at the right place, plug in an aerial , and power it up.
I don't really see how 'ready for' can mean the set is ready, if there is no aerial.

Anyway, between the last post and now I have sent 4 short emails in English or in Italian using different email addresses and different names, all much the same in content. I explained briefly a (my) situation, where the TV (set) is only used for DVDs and can't be used to capture broadcasts/transmissions of any kind, underlining that the cable socket is sealed.
I didn't get a single reply, and the last email was sent 2 weeks ago. So they are obviously either not interested in taking on new 'customers' at this stage in view of the upcoming changes in a couple of years' time, or clarifying any queries that the website does not explain properly. You can't say I didn't try!
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