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Old 26.02.2008, 10:26
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Can anyone translate this please?

http://tkkg.ch/wordpress/?p=112

It says it's a fabrication of a possible iPhone ad.

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Old 26.02.2008, 10:42
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Re: iPhone in Switzerland

ziphone seems to work quickly and easily - i've used it on 1.1.2 (although i got the 1.1.3 modem firmware for some reason) and 1.13 - seems to be a brilliant tool. even 1.13 features that preivously didn't work like google locate me seem to work.
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Old 26.02.2008, 10:57
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ziphone seems to work quickly and easily - i've used it on 1.1.2 (although i got the 1.1.3 modem firmware for some reason) and 1.13 - seems to be a brilliant tool. even 1.13 features that preivously didn't work like google locate me seem to work.

does that mean I can do a full restore to 1.13 on iTunes and use zIphone to activate and jailbreak it afterwards?

I upgraded from 1.12 using the installer.app way but "locate me" doesn't work.

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Re: iPhone in Switzerland

i did that and it worked for me. ziphone really does seem excellent - it can even fix some bricked phones and doesn't need itunes to be expunged first etc. etc. however, to be sure i would always read around a bit e.g. hackint0sh forums. the phone i was using has (and always has had) wifi problems. it didn't fix that so i couldn't test everything - some of what i say is from what i hear off other people. i suspect the phone in question either has hardware problems or a strangely corrupted baseband from what the person who originally unlocked it did (early anysim?) so that's no fault of ziphone.
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Apple will detail the software road map for the iPhone on March 6 at its Cupertino, California, headquarters, the company said in an invitation sent to reporters.
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Old 01.03.2008, 16:50
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Re: iPhone in Switzerland - word of caution

Family matters have landed an iPhone over here.
I unblocked using a very popular app developed by a young italian who goes under the moniker of Zibri (www.ziphone.org), it even allowed me to update from 1.1.1 to 1.1.4 in a most painless and uncomplicated manner.

Anyway - the word of caution is this:
when your iPhone is up and running, one of the first things you'll probably do is have a look at what all those icons do.
Most of them land you smack in the middle of the 'net, with absolutely NO SETUP to be initiated in order to access GPRS roaming.
Very sexy and VERY EXPENSIVE.

I would have thought that I would have had to go through hell in order to get my Orange and Diax/Sunrise accounts set up for GPRS, but instead - no - everything was there up and running at my fingertips !!
Cell carriers are bound to be making a bucketful of $$ from unwary iPhoners IMHO.

There ya' go. I love the thing, it's addictive, it's sleek and sexy, and with the tanking $$ it costs much less than my by HTC PDA/cell

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Old 03.03.2008, 10:31
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Re: iPhone in Switzerland - word of caution

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Anyway - the word of caution is this:
when your iPhone is up and running, one of the first things you'll probably do is have a look at what all those icons do.
Most of them land you smack in the middle of the 'net, with absolutely NO SETUP to be initiated in order to access GPRS roaming.
Very sexy and VERY EXPENSIVE.
Same as every phone I've ever used... and not exactly "VERY EXPENSIVE" although certainly I wouldn't use it without a data deal. I wasn't actually aware that they could use GPRS (thought it was EDGE only).
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Old 03.03.2008, 10:56
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Same as every phone I've ever used... and not exactly "VERY EXPENSIVE" although certainly I wouldn't use it without a data deal. I wasn't actually aware that they could use GPRS (thought it was EDGE only).
EDGE & WiFi only, 02 spent a fortune upgrading their network to support.

This from Macworld (last year) tickled me :


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“Apple’s rating improves dramatically when you talk to existing iPod owners,” said Pete Cunningham, senior analyst at Canalys. “Almost half the respondents who owned an iPod rated Apple as likely to be considered for their next phone, compared to just 20 per cent for those who didn’t have an iPod, and they were five times as likely to give Apple the highest rating. There is a lot of loyalty that Apple can tap into.”
plenty of loyalty ...
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Re: iPhone in Switzerland

i thought most of the upgrade costs (at least for at&t in usa) were for visual voicemail (although god knows why it's so difficult)... isn't edge pretty easy if you are already supporting 3g/utms etc.?

speaking of which (bit offtopic) does anyone know if/when orange plan to support edge over here? iphone unusable without wifi, phone dog slow on gprs..... groan. they seem to support it on their business roaming office type deal so they have the technology.
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Old 03.03.2008, 11:08
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i thought most of the upgrade costs (at least for at&t in usa) were for visual voicemail (although god knows why it's so difficult)... isn't edge pretty easy if you are already supporting 3g/utms etc.?

speaking of which (bit offtopic) does anyone know if/when orange plan to support edge over here? iphone unusable without wifi, phone dog slow on gprs..... groan. they seem to support it on their business roaming office type deal so they have the technology.
EDGE is a GPRS upgrade 2G - 2.5G, purely software, but has to be deployed across all transmission nodes. Will ask someone at Orange & see if I get a response, but is tied to your SIM & account, I would expect.
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Old 03.03.2008, 12:40
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EDGE is a GPRS upgrade 2G - 2.5G, purely software, but has to be deployed across all transmission nodes. Will ask someone at Orange & see if I get a response, but is tied to your SIM & account, I would expect.
Ahhh.... so 3G doesn't imply 2.5G is easy because you still need to upgrade the GPRS software?

I think I have their most enabled SIM in terms of data transfer, and certainly an EDGE phone - they just don't seem to support it. They do support UMTS which my phone doesn't
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Old 03.03.2008, 12:54
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Ahhh.... so 3G doesn't imply 2.5G is easy because you still need to upgrade the GPRS software?

I think I have their most enabled SIM in terms of data transfer, and certainly an EDGE phone - they just don't seem to support it. They do support UMTS which my phone doesn't
Indeed : Nokia Glossary

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EDGE works by improving the signalling interface used to communicate over the radio waves. Typically, EDGE brings three times the performance of GPRS, achieving an average data rate of 80 to 160 kbps per user with mobile terminals supporting 2-4 timeslots. It is great for applications that transfer large amounts of data between a mobile phone and enterprise networks - such as rich email messages that include attachments.
On the SIM, what account do you have regards data. Usually if you have 3G / UMTS, it will revert to GPRS / EDGE when there is lack of coverage. Would seem that you would need purely an EDGE SIM.

Orange Switzerlands EDGE network covers 99% of the country, according to their blurb, as does their 3G / UMTS, so looks like your SIM does not have a chance to look for the "weaker" signal ...
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Old 03.03.2008, 13:18
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Indeed : Nokia Glossary



On the SIM, what account do you have regards data. Usually if you have 3G / UMTS, it will revert to GPRS / EDGE when there is lack of coverage. Would seem that you would need purely an EDGE SIM.

Orange Switzerlands EDGE network covers 99% of the country, according to their blurb, as does their 3G / UMTS, so looks like your SIM does not have a chance to look for the "weaker" signal ...
The SIM is UMTS enabled. I went into an Orange shop and asked why I was only getting GPRS on an EDGE phone and they checked the SIM/account was UMTS enabled. I think they muttered something about not supporting EDGE - at the time I found this hard to believe. But I can't find the coverage info you are referring to either - EDGE seems almost completely absent from orange.ch
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Old 03.03.2008, 13:41
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something about not supporting EDGE - at the time I found this hard to believe. But I can't find the coverage info you are referring to either - EDGE seems almost completely absent from orange.ch
Orange Switzerland doesn't offer EDGE. They're still convinced that going UMTS-only is the right thing to do. It probably would be but unfortunately, their UMTS coverage is WAY behind that of Swisscom. At work I have 3G coverage but at home I only get GPRS (despite the fact that their coverage map says I should be getting HSDPA).

Also, many very popular devices such as the iPhone and close to all Blackberry handsets only support EDGE. So here I am, crawling along on GPRS with my BB 8820 AND their 3G (theoretically...) USB modem. I really hope they'll still add EDGE capability, their data network sucks big time without it.

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Old 03.03.2008, 14:04
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Orange Switzerland doesn't offer EDGE. They're still convinced that going UMTS-only is the right thing to do. It probably would be but unfortunately, their UMTS coverage is WAY behind that of Swisscom. At work I have 3G coverage but at home I only get GPRS (despite the fact that their coverage map says I should be getting HSDPA).

Also, many very popular devices such as the iPhone and close to all Blackberry handsets only support EDGE. So here I am, crawling along on GPRS with my BB 8820 AND their 3G (theoretically...) USB modem. I really hope they'll still add EDGE capability, their data network sucks big time without it.
Exactly - new iPhone buyers beware. Free public WiFi seems next to non-existent and the paid-for options are not as cheap as they should be (although coverage seems reasonable).

Are you suggesting that they have abandoned EDGE quickly - leaving users of such devices with no/poor alternatives - or that they never implemented it? Polorise gave me this link:

http://www.mobilecomms-technology.co...cts/orange_3g/
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Old 03.03.2008, 14:12
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Exactly - new iPhone buyers beware. Free public WiFi seems next to non-existent and the paid-for options are not as cheap as they should be (although coverage seems reasonable).

Are you suggesting that they have abandoned EDGE quickly - leaving users of such devices with no/poor alternatives - or that they never implemented it?
They never implemented EDGE which has always been utterly strange to me, given the fact that all other providers offer it.

As for public WLAN: well, that's not really true. There's free WLAN in every McDonald's restaurant and every Starbucks coffee shop. Also, I found that no matter where you're at, there are always open WLAN access points around :-)

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Old 03.03.2008, 14:24
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As for public WLAN: well, that's not really true. There's free WLAN in every McDonald's restaurant and every Starbucks coffee shop. Also, I found that no matter where you're at, there are always open WLAN access points around :-)
Don't eat in McDonalds or drink in Starbucks. As for the rest - where are you? I was surprised at there being so many and even more surprised that they were all secured. The only ones that aren't secured seem to be for-pay mobile operator points that have lots of coverage but need a login or else some strange ones that just don't let you join despite being unsecured... I've yet to read up on what's going on with those.
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Don't eat in McDonalds or drink in Starbucks.
well, then I can't help you. But it's not like there are more (free) access points in Germany or the US, AFAIK.
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well, then I can't help you. But it's not like there are more (free) access points in Germany or the US, AFAIK.
yeah, but it's annoying nonetheless i find it amazing that you're near such a shop and want to sit down and buy something every time you need to use the internet. most people don't/wouldn't really need to secure their networks like they do if there were better built-in defaults/capabilities in the routers. there are already some wifi sharing projects out there. my limited experience in the UK is at least that networks are less secure by default
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