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What type of monster do you get?
Swiss TV...


What would happen if you don't pay?
Do they have to prove that you have a TV?
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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I'm bollocksed if they're getting my email address. Can someone sign it for me please?

hahhahahha, you can create a email account for free at: www.google.com/gmail

There's no need to use your "good" account.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

Billag is a rip-off and it seems you need to pay if you have a fast internet connection or a radio in the car. There seems to be a popular movement which wants to abolish this quasi-tax.
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Old 09.03.2011, 17:30
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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that's right, they don't have the permission to come in if you don't let them.
What could hovewer happen, is that they come back with such an order one day later.
They cannot get a search order that easily. A judge would have to sign such a search order and not only would they need a good argument to convince him but it would cost them huge sums in terms of legal fees which would be a pretty poor investment if it would only end up in them standing in your appartment red faced and finding you don't have a TV. That's not their tactic. It's far easier for them to harrass and scare you and that's what they do. They only do things that offer high returns for a low effort. It's Swisscom remember.
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Old 09.03.2011, 17:44
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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It's not gonna work.
You only have to read some people here. Some pay even when they don't have to... And this monster can only be stoped if people want.

CHF200 would be reasonable...

It's not gonna work.
Humano,

There are people who use their brains to think for themselves and realise that TV and radio are a waste of space and electrons.

There are also people who think otherwise, and sadly they have already spent so much time watching TV that they cannot imagine that not everybody is like them. For them there is no such thing as not having a TV. They think that if you're saying you don't have one you must by hiding it. By definition therefore, anybody who doesn't have a TV must be a liar. This thinking has got inside Billag and even inside government. Some people (such as some on this forum) even think they are virtuous because they subsidise Swisscom shareholders and that you must be disvirtuous because you don't. It's a mad world.

This petition could well be the wake-up call. It needs all the support it can get.
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Old 09.03.2011, 18:39
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

Hi,

the fundamental question is what tv and radio should be provided in Switzerland and how much that should cost. As Switzerland has 4 official languages then it seems fair that some content should be provided for all the different language groups. Which means you have to have german(dialect), French, Italian and some content in reto romanisch. TV is expensive per hour and the population of Switzerland is only 7 million and naturally the tv and radio license costs are going to be greater than say in the UK where there is a much bigger population and only one language group to cater for.

I would like to pay a smaller tv and radio license but the question you have to start from is what do you expect should be provided

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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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the question you have to start from is what do you expect should be provided
Actually, you are right... I don't want any of their TV channels provided. I don't watch them.

So, using your logic, it is ok to pay nothing, if I expect nothing to be provided! Suits me fine! I do not want to pay for other people's TV habits, in the same way I don't pay for other people to read magazines. (Should we pay a magazine tax too, because we all have the ability to read magazines? Why is TV different to any other media - I don't buy it)
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

Hi,
I agree with the principle of a tv license as in the UK without one there probably would not be a lot of decent tv to watch. I have no problem with paying a tv license here. I do sometimes watch swiss tv. I think it is important to have swiss programs that made for the native people of the country. It ensures a healthy culture. I think where the cost becomes questionable is where programs and films are bought in from other countries but it would be perfectly possible for people here to see the same thing on German, French or Italian tv.

Just because I do not get full benefit of the tv and radio here does not mean that I do not feel that I should contribute to helping keep something going that encourages swiss national identity.

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Old 10.03.2011, 08:48
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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Actually, you are right... I don't want any of their TV channels provided. I don't watch them.

So, using your logic, it is ok to pay nothing, if I expect nothing to be provided! Suits me fine! I do not want to pay for other people's TV habits, in the same way I don't pay for other people to read magazines. (Should we pay a magazine tax too, because we all have the ability to read magazines? Why is TV different to any other media - I don't buy it)
Using your logic, one should pay less tax if you don't use the train because it's heavily subsidised from taxation. It is simply not possible to ensure that you don't ever watch Swiss TV...
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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Using your logic, one should pay less tax if you don't use the train because it's heavily subsidised from taxation. It is simply not possible to ensure that you don't ever watch Swiss TV...
You have used the t word. However, Billag are denying it is a tax.

To use your example, how would you feel if the governenent stopped using tax money to susbsidize the train but started sending Jehovas Witness types from door to door to sign people up, telling them they should pay whether they like it or not, but insisting that it's not a tax because it's not the government that's collecting it? Wouldn't you feel the government was cheating?
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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I think it is important to have swiss programs that made for the native people of the country. It ensures a healthy culture.
What exactly is healthy about watching TV?
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

I believe the Billag, as well as the BBC licence fee in the UK, should be a tax. That way the amount you pay depends on income.

Don't know about here, but in the UK the BBC does much more than just provide TV channels, so I think even those without a TV should still pay. The BBC provides TV, radio, schools/educational programmes, the world service (what's left of it), the news web site, their own web site full of foreign language material etc.

If it's a tax on everyone it could be a really small amount per year (on the basis that everyone is paying rather than just one person per household who has a TV).
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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It is simply not possible to ensure that you don't ever watch Swiss TV...
But again that's not the point. The tax is payable if you have a TV, not if you watch it. If I only watch the TV down at the pub, I don't have to pay. If I only watch the TV in the TV shop, I don't have to pay. If I never watch the TV but I have one in the living room because my wife says the colour matches the curtians so nicely, then I do have to pay. It's totally illogical. In fact its madness.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

Just want to ask what the cost of the bill is?
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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Just want to ask what the cost of the bill is?
It's good google, isn't it??
http://www.billag.ch/web/de/gebuehre...buehren_privat
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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Just want to ask what the cost of the bill is?

As the website is only in German, the answer to your question is this:

Radio and TV, 3 months bill is 115.60 chf.

This is a new amount as the MWST (tax) was increased as of January 2011.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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Actually, you are right... I don't want any of their TV channels provided. I don't watch them.

So, using your logic, it is ok to pay nothing, if I expect nothing to be provided! Suits me fine! I do not want to pay for other people's TV habits, in the same way I don't pay for other people to read magazines. (Should we pay a magazine tax too, because we all have the ability to read magazines? Why is TV different to any other media - I don't buy it)
Exactly. I cannot understand how we have to pay such a huge amount when there's a lot of advertising in the swiss TV. I would say even more as in the US. We are probably paying more than we should...
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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Exactly. I cannot understand how we have to pay such a huge amount when there's a lot of advertising in the swiss TV. I would say even more as in the US. We are probably paying more than we should...
I cannot agree that the advertising on Swiss TV is excessive. It far less intrusive than British TV and you can often watch a film from beginning to end with no adverts in the middle.

It is Billag's bullying attitude and apparent ease with which they seem to get the law changed that upsets me.
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I cannot agree that the advertising on Swiss TV is excessive. It far less intrusive than British TV and you can often watch a film from beginning to end with no adverts in the middle.

It is Billag's bullying attitude and apparent ease with which they seem to get the law changed that upsets me.
You are right, but we all pay swiss TV. That's much more money than in another countries...
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

Can someone fluent in German please read this link ?

http://www.billag.ch/web/de/fragen_u...eraet_mfg.html

Does it mean that if I have ADSL, but don't have software designed to watch TV, and don't have a subscription service (free or otherwise) to watch TV, then it's OK to not pay the TV part ?
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