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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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Can someone fluent in German please read this link ?

http://www.billag.ch/web/de/fragen_u...eraet_mfg.html

Does it mean that if I have ADSL, but don't have software designed to watch TV, and don't have a subscription service (free or otherwise) to watch TV, then it's OK to not pay the TV part ?
Yes, and I think that it's also the same for radio... If you don't have any software to see it...

I have uninstalled windows media player.... In fact I don't like this software.
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Old 16.03.2011, 10:35
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

At the bottom it states if you have a Handy telephone with an MP3 player incorporated then you have to pay the Billag Radio reception tax.

German to English translation (Google)

With my cell phone or MP3 player I can also listen to radio. Do I need to register for the radio reception?

Yes. By law, one must register as soon as a device is present, the technology is able to receive programs. Since the fees are paid per household, you can use after registering as many radio receivers as you like. The fee is payable only once.
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Old 16.03.2011, 14:04
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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You have used the t word. However, Billag are denying it is a tax.
Exactly! This is the whole point.. If they make it a tax, even TV non-believers (like me) have no choice but to pay it. Doesn't mean it would make me happy, but it would be at least acceptable, as it would make it MUCH cheaper for all of us (i.e. we don't have to pay Billag's employees to walk around the country asking people to sign contracts, or back-office to administer them - surely this is their main expense), and more proportional to people's salaries (making it more affordable for poor people).

If they are going to impose it, a tax would be the only form that I would accept. All I am saying is, that I am against a "forced contract" for something I don't want! Tax is not a forced contract.
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Exactly! This is the whole point.. If they make it a tax, even TV non-believers (like me) have no choice but to pay it. Doesn't mean it would make me happy, but it would be at least acceptable, as it would make it MUCH cheaper for all of us (i.e. we don't have to pay Billag's employees to walk around the country asking people to sign contracts, or back-office to administer them - surely this is their main expense), and more proportional to people's salaries (making it more affordable for poor people).

If they are going to impose it, a tax would be the only form that I would accept. All I am saying is, that I am against a "forced contract" for something I don't want! Tax is not a forced contract.
I also think so... I prefer to pay the tax as this nonsense of coming at home to spy if we have a TV or not...

When is this law starting?
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Old 17.03.2011, 11:21
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

It looks like it will be a de facto tax, brought down from CHF462 to CHF349 a year device independent, for all households with possible exemptions for SME.

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Old 17.03.2011, 11:38
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Exactly! This is the whole point.. If they make it a tax, even TV non-believers (like me) have no choice but to pay it. Doesn't mean it would make me happy, but it would be at least acceptable, as it would make it MUCH cheaper for all of us (i.e. we don't have to pay Billag's employees to walk around the country asking people to sign contracts, or back-office to administer them - surely this is their main expense), and more proportional to people's salaries (making it more affordable for poor people).

If they are going to impose it, a tax would be the only form that I would accept. All I am saying is, that I am against a "forced contract" for something I don't want! Tax is not a forced contract.
Making it a tax would furthermore make it more democratically accountable. It would only be a question of time until the SVP or some other tax haters would get their crowbar on it and demand further cuts. Today it is outside the power of any directly elected organ to take any influence.
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Billag Visiting

Hello,

Today morning I had an unexpected visit from the Billag. I had no TV neither a radio. But, I had internet!
I did not know about the rule for internet registration - The Billag staff said I need to register for the internet as it is capable of functioning as a Radio - Finally, he gave me his handy tablet (special computers they carry) to sign which declares that I have a working internet.

He said I would receive letter from Billag and will receive registration number. And, that I need to update my address whenever I move and these rules.

Do you think I am going to be fined because of not knowing the internet also requires registration, and did not register it myself? Has anyone had similar experiences?

Many thanks.
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Re: Billag Visiting

The rules say you are supposed to register even if you have a mobile phone which has internet on it...someone else I know got a Billag visit last week, so maybe it's the season.
I don't know about your fine though I'm afraid. If the person registered you it sounds like they will just send you a standard bill. I'm sure someone else will know more.
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Re: Billag Visiting

nah, Billag usually doesn't fine, nor charges retroactive fees - just asks that you pay from now on.

Slightly abusive, but then again, it is true that you CAN get radio/TV through the net.
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Re: Billag Visiting

They shouldn't fine you. I had a visit after having a TV for over a year without registering and they just charged me for a month before the visit. No fine....
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Hello,

Today morning I had an unexpected visit from the Billag.
I'd never let those guys in - they have absolutely no right to enter your apartment, unless you invite them in.
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I'd never let those guys in - they have absolutely no right to enter your apartment, unless you invite them in.
Same in the UK. I was always super polite. "Would you like a cup of tea? No problem, but you'll have to drink it out there because you don't have a warrant to enter the premises."
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Re: Billag Visiting

Many thanks everyone for the helpful comments!
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Old 01.04.2011, 14:25
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I'd never let those guys in - they have absolutely no right to enter your apartment, unless you invite them in.
What he said. At the moment you "sign" anything from them, you are probably facing a fine. It's like a customs officer checking you affter you walked through the "nothing to declare" door - if you admit anything to him, it will cost - if you simply register your internet by mail it won't.

I had one visiting me a couple of years ago and he tried every little dirty communication trick in his book (while I actually have my TV registered, I guess he wanted to find out if we are a WG as we had two names on the doorbell...). Simply tell them that you know what Bilag is and would of course register whatever you need to do. If he tells you anything that he would like to have a look at the apartment, better tell him clearly that you don't allow him to enter your property. If he tells anything about "rights" or as in my case that he "represents the government", I get less friendly and clearer: He is not representing the government, but a private company owned by Swisscom. He is a simple employee and has no "police like" rights whatsoever.
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What he said. At the moment you "sign" anything from them, you are probably facing a fine.
Sorry, complete bullsh*t..

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I had one visiting me a couple of years ago and he tried every little dirty communication trick in his book (while I actually have my TV registered, I guess he wanted to find out if we are a WG as we had two names on the doorbell...).
And again, it does not matter how many people live in an apartment, one billag account pays for all.

I found them not too bad (Ok, I'm Swiss..) and they certainly never tried to enter my apartment, not that I would let them in either. Usually they will activate the account from the month of signing, or a bit earlier if you have been there a while.
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Old 01.04.2011, 14:37
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Sorry, complete bullsh*t..
Point taken, but they do and can fine people who have not proactively signed up for them. According to NZZ up to 5000 CHF:
http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/zueric..._1.699074.html


The one I met was really a "salesman" type. You know, a traffic warden simply walks around and does the job - they are not "hunting" for victims, but in the cases I have seen simply fine people who did park where they shouldn't. Sometimes they go OTT and fine you for being 1 cm out of the white line, but they are hardly aggressive.

This guy on the other hand was very motivted to talk me into "don't you have xyz as well?" and funny questions on my neighbours... I am 99% sure he gets paid measured by the success rate he has. (Or he was a sociopath.)
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What he said. At the moment you "sign" anything from them, you are probably facing a fine. It's like a customs officer checking you affter you walked through the "nothing to declare" door - if you admit anything to him, it will cost - if you simply register your internet by mail it won't.

I had one visiting me a couple of years ago and he tried every little dirty communication trick in his book (while I actually have my TV registered, I guess he wanted to find out if we are a WG as we had two names on the doorbell...). Simply tell them that you know what Bilag is and would of course register whatever you need to do. If he tells you anything that he would like to have a look at the apartment, better tell him clearly that you don't allow him to enter your property. If he tells anything about "rights" or as in my case that he "represents the government", I get less friendly and clearer: He is not representing the government, but a private company owned by Swisscom. He is a simple employee and has no "police like" rights whatsoever.
Bearing in mind normal Swiss behaving like they "represent the Govt/society" is a cultural trait widely explored on other threads
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(Or he was a sociopath.)
Yeah, I can go with that considering the company he works for.

Thanks for the article too - in regards to the fines, these seem to crop up mainly if somebody denies having any access (no matter if it's used or not) to TV and radio and being proven wrong thereafter.
It's also nice that they mention yet again, that Billag personnel have no right to enter your apartment ("Sie haben keine Befugnis, in einer Wohnung selber zu kontrollieren, ob ein Radio- oder Fernsehgerät vorhanden ist.") - but have to file with the police if they are suspicious of this.
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Hello,

Today morning I had an unexpected visit from the Billag. I had no TV neither a radio. But, I had internet!
I did not know about the rule for internet registration - The Billag staff said I need to register for the internet as it is capable of functioning as a Radio - Finally, he gave me his handy tablet (special computers they carry) to sign which declares that I have a working internet.

He said I would receive letter from Billag and will receive registration number. And, that I need to update my address whenever I move and these rules.

Do you think I am going to be fined because of not knowing the internet also requires registration, and did not register it myself? Has anyone had similar experiences?

Many thanks.
what area of ZH city or canton do you live at and what time did they show up? did they have any papers with them so that they knew that beforehand, that you have internet??
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what area of ZH city or canton do you live at and what time did they show up? did they have any papers with them so that they knew that beforehand, that you have internet??
They always have "papers" with them - read the NZZ article I linked: They have a list of people who already pay, so they check the doorbells if somebody moved in that is not on the list. So it is not a "shopping list" for known dodgers, but a positive list....
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