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Old 07.12.2011, 13:14
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The condition being "Programme zu empfangen". Got a browser..? condition met, pay up.
The browser does not make me liable to pay for it.


Here are the conditions from Billag.

Privater Fernsehempfang:
• Empfang via Breitbandanschluss (z.B. ADSL, Kabelnetz)
• Empfang über entsprechende Software (z.B. Mediaplayer, Realplayer)
Abschluss eines Abonnements für den Empfang von Fernsehprogrammen über Internet bei einem entsprechenden Internet-Anbieter (diese Voraussetzung kann in Zukunft wegfallen, wenn das live gestreamte Programmangebot, welches ohne Abonnement empfangen werden kann, qualitativ und quantitativ zunimmt und dem heutigen terrestrischen Programmangebot entspricht) "


I used to pay for radio and TV. Then we read all the rules in Billag and diverse consumer protection agencies. Since a) I do not own a TV b) I have no subscription with Cablecom to recieve TV, Billag agreed, without any refutal, that I should not pay TV tax. In their response letter, it was specifically writen that they will not pay me back for the 2 years of tax I paid too much, but I would not have to pay for the rest of the then current year, or in the future, till I actually start meeting the conditions.
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Old 07.12.2011, 13:22
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Here are the conditions from Billag.

Privater Fernsehempfang:
• Empfang via Breitbandanschluss (z.B. ADSL, Kabelnetz)
Empfang über entsprechende Software (z.B. Mediaplayer, Realplayer)
Your quote confirms what I just said. They gave two examples but a browser can just as easily recieve TV channels via the Internet with built in Mediaplayer or Realplayer plugins (to name two, there are many others).
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Old 07.12.2011, 13:27
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Your quote confirms what I just said. They gave two examples but a browser can just as easily recieve TV channels via the Internet with built in Mediaplayer or Realplayer plugins (to name two, there are many others).
No offence, but I do trust the judgement of Billag of their own rules more than I trust yours. Billag specifically told me I don't have to pay, even though I use a browser to access the internet. I trust their word.
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Billag specifically told me I don't have to pay


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Old 07.12.2011, 14:17
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No offence, but I do trust the judgement of Billag of their own rules more than I trust yours. Billag specifically told me I don't have to pay, even though I use a browser to access the internet. I trust their word.
I don't trust anyone. However many times you are told you don't have to pay, they only have to change their mind once.
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Old 07.12.2011, 14:30
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I don't trust anyone. However many times you are told you don't have to pay, they only have to change their mind once.
That's the point: no matter how many times people in this forum say I have to pay, I really don't care. The only ruling valid to me is that of Billag.

Billag was quite clear that the 3 conditions posted are not a) or b) or c) as many people assume, and which is in the interest of Billag not to really correct. Those 3 conditions are to be read as a), b) and c).

It was in this base that I contacted Billag, once I read the rules throughly, and the ruling that came in response agreed. This was an official writen response, not some opinion from the service costumer given by phone.

Until they put a law that forces EVERYONE to pay, including those, like me, who do not a) own a television and b) do not receive television by way of an abonement by my internet provider, if you have internet and a laptop/computer, you don't need to pay the tv fee.


Use this knowledge at your own will. If you prefer to pay, do so. I will continue not to, since, as per Billag ruling, I am legally not forced to pay the tv fee (though I must pay radio). As with everything is this forum, you must take all information you get with a grain of salt and use your own judgement. I won't advice anyone to try to get rid of the TV tax if you are actually legally bond to do so.

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Old 07.12.2011, 14:36
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The condition being "Programme zu empfangen". Got a browser..? condition met, pay up.
Actually, it depends on what plugins you have.

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Old 07.12.2011, 14:57
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Actually, it depends on what plugins you have.
All modern browsers come standard with multimedia type plugins such as RealPlayer, MediaPlayer, QuicktimePlayer or Java. If one was to removed every multimedia type program or plugin from their browser (and computer) then yes they would definitely be exempt from having to pay Billag.
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I was told, unfortunately not in writing, that since I subscribe to upc-cablecom Fiber Power Internet 50, which includes 'complimentary' television programming (http://en.hispeed.ch) I have to pay for the television tax, irregardless of whether I watch it, or no...

However, based on what I've read here, I might consider giving Billag a call to get a decision in writing, and hopefully I might could get the television tax rescinded moving forward. Now, if I could make a convincing argument for no radio tax, since I don't own a car, nor an actual radio in Switzerland....
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Re: Billag

Do you think cablecom and other providers inform billag about subscriptioning people? I think so, after 1,5 year in Geneva i never received any communication or visits from billag.Maybe i have only mobile internet.....
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Old 08.12.2011, 10:35
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I was told, unfortunately not in writing, that since I subscribe to upc-cablecom Fiber Power Internet 50, which includes 'complimentary' television programming (http://en.hispeed.ch) I have to pay for the television tax, irregardless of whether I watch it, or no....
You won't get away from paying the fee. You get the abonement together with your internet, so no use contacting Billag. You have to pay tax, unfortunately. Same for radio. The only reason I pay for radio is because I have internet (no car/mobile/stereo). I actually don't mind since I constantly hear www.rocknation.ch, which is quite cool

Since we don't see TV at home, we searched for an internet service already without the added TV stuff, which is not only cheaper per se, it's cheaper on Billag in the end too!

And good news, I got the annual payment slip from Billag yesterday evening! 169 CHF gone with the wind!

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Do you think cablecom and other providers inform billag about subscriptioning people? I think so, after 1,5 year in Geneva i never received any communication or visits from billag.Maybe i have only mobile internet.....
Technically that would be illegal and proving it could be the silver bullet that kills of Billag. However, try proving it.
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...it must be the devil!"
Yeah, that's what I thought, too, when I first heard of the Billag. Still do.
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Old 22.12.2011, 14:51
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To sum it up, with the change in system they estimate that everyone would have to pay about 100.- less a year for the same non-existant service which is at least some good news.
There is some news on my statement from earlier this month. Not very good ones though

Today, both chambers of parliament have kicked out a motion to lower the amount people pay into Billag. The suggestion was to bring it down to 200.- per head and year. Parliament came to the conclusion that doing so would harm Swiss TV stations and instead of strengthening Swiss privates, give more of the share to foreign channels...

However, earlier this year they agreed to make Billag "more compulsory" to get around the silly collecting system in place now - so in practice what they did was raise the total amount of money that will be collected as there is less ways (or hardly any) to avoid it so more people will pay, but the cost won't come down....

...and this is the point where you get to make up your mind about politicians ...
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Old 22.12.2011, 15:13
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...and this is the point where you get to make up your mind about politicians ...
You mean like the oh-so-selfless dig from Ms Rickli to get down Billag fees, while she is working for a company that is busy selling ad-time on the "Swiss windows" of German TV stations?

I do agree with the general sentiment. We could at least save the cost of running Billag AG in the first place and bring the general charges down for everyone - maybe not half but certainly a good chunk. However, broadcasting a program in 3 languages, with a fourth having only partial coverage does have it's price.
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There is some news on my statement from earlier this month. Not very good ones though

Today, both chambers of parliament have kicked out a motion to lower the amount people pay into Billag. The suggestion was to bring it down to 200.- per head and year. Parliament came to the conclusion that doing so would harm Swiss TV stations and instead of strengthening Swiss privates, give more of the share to foreign channels...

However, earlier this year they agreed to make Billag "more compulsory" to get around the silly collecting system in place now - so in practice what they did was raise the total amount of money that will be collected as there is less ways (or hardly any) to avoid it so more people will pay, but the cost won't come down....

...and this is the point where you get to make up your mind about politicians ...
I think you are mixing things here. The only point discussed was whether they want to open discussions about the SVP-Rickli-SAT1-petition.
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Today, both chambers of parliament have kicked out a motion to lower the amount people pay into Billag. The suggestion was to bring it down to 200.- per head and year. Parliament came to the conclusion that doing so would harm Swiss TV stations and instead of strengthening Swiss privates, give more of the share to foreign channels...
Have they not considered that less TV might mean that peeople would get out more and actually have some quality in their lives.

Think of the turnover sports facilities, museums, clubs, pubs, gastronomy etc are missing out on because tax-subsidised TV is keeping too many punters at home.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

I am a little confuse whether I have to pay for bilag or not. The thing is, I am about to move in to a new apartment on the mid of February. Me and My wife are master's student. For electronic devices we both have laptops and iPhones. We are also going to apply for cablecom and that's just for the internet, since we need it for academic works.

Regarding my situation, should I pay Bilag?
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I am a little confuse whether I have to pay for bilag or not. The thing is, I am about to move in to a new apartment on the mid of February. Me and My wife are master's student. For electronic devices we both have laptops and iPhones. We are also going to apply for cablecom and that's just for the internet, since we need it for academic works.

Regarding my situation, should I pay Bilag?
You don't own a car, with radio?

The law says that if you can receive transmissions or facsimiles thereof you are supposed to pay. They cleverly included computers and smart phones of any kind, even if you have no intention of consuming any Swiss sourced programming. It's the closest thing to thought crime I've seen in the free world. If you read this thread you will see that it has been hashed almost to death. That's my take on it. The question is do you feel lucky? I paid, but I had all sorts of ways I could consume media.
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You don't own a car, with radio?

The law says that if you can receive transmissions or facsimiles thereof you are supposed to pay. They cleverly included computers and smart phones of any kind, even if you have no intention of consuming any Swiss sourced programming. It's the closest thing to thought crime I've seen in the free world. If you read this thread you will see that it has been hashed almost to death. That's my take on it. The question is do you feel lucky? I paid, but I had all sorts of ways I could consume media.
No mate, I don't own a car. Yeah I do have a laptop and smartphone, so still I have to pay Bilag?
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