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Old 04.12.2015, 15:16
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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The answer to this thread is, no, you don't have to get a TV license from billag
Thanks for your very careful reading of all the nuances of this thread and your very comprehensive and accurate summary.
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Old 04.12.2015, 15:39
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Here is the backside of a recent Billag bill, one can only assume the info given is probably as good, if not better than Tom1234's information.

I'm not going to translate it all, just the first paragraph "Financement du Service public audiovisuel" which is about who pays what.

The financing of the Swiss audiovisual public service is guaranteed by license fee of the radio and television, which benefits SSR SRG and some local channels (division of license fee). Billag is mandated by the confederation to recieve the licence fee. All households and companies in possession of devices capable of receiving radio and television reception (including car radios, portable telephones, tablets, computers with internet access, etc) are obliged to pay the license fee.

This is reasonably clear in my mind, the nasty bit, legaly speaking is the "etc" as this is undefined which is usualy not good, it maybe just a proviso for future developments of devices and to cover Billag ass.

I really hope this clears up who has to pay and who doesn't.
Great, except that it's wrong. If you had the monopoly on a market, wouldn't you also tell people whatever you wanted them to believe?

Billag didn't write the legislation on radio and TV licensing. They have published their interpretation of it, to scare people into ponying up. It seems to have worked on you. If you read this thread in its entirety, you'll find the real factors for determining who has to pay.
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Old 04.12.2015, 15:40
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The 30 CHF fee is something you'll need to pay if you want internet and or TV over cable/wire/fibre.

It's normally just included in nebenkosten. It's not TV specific.
Billag is a separate payment.
Fiber to the Home has no monthly connection fee in Zurich City.

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OK Tom,

just go with Cablecom and just do Billag to the Radio!!
If you live in Zurich City and your flat has a FTTH socket, the betteroption may is to seal up the Cablecom socket and get Internet only over the fiber conection.

https://www.ewz.ch/de/private/glasfa...#Verfügbarkeit

My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
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Billag didn't write the legislation on radio and TV licensing. They have published their interpretation of it, to scare people into ponying up. It seems to have worked on you. If you read this thread in its entirety, you'll find the real factors for determining who has to pay.

The Billag FAQ is correct about when a computer (w/o DVB card) Plus a Internet connection counts as a tv OR as a radio reception device:

" You must register for radio reception if your computer, tablet or mobile phone can be used to listen to the radio.

If you can watch television on your computer, tablet or mobile phone, you must register [for a Billag license] for television reception if you have an account (including a free one) with an internet television (IP-TV) provider."

https://www.billag.ch/private/faq/

The Billag letter is fearmongering, and very close to fraud.
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Old 04.12.2015, 16:51
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Fiber to the Home has no monthly connection fee in Zurich City.



If you live in Zurich City and your flat has a FTTH socket, the betteroption may is to seal up the Cablecom socket and get Internet only over the fiber conection.

https://www.ewz.ch/de/private/glasfa...#Verfügbarkeit

My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
Fair enough but he's not in Zurich city I'm sure (otherwise he would have his location as Zurich rather than Zurich area and he's already been quoted the 30 CHF.

I didn't know there was no fee for fiber with Cable-com. That's good to know

Is there a network map that shows fiber coverage?
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

Hi Tom, (maybe 22yards)
thanks a lot for your good advise. am counting on you.

yes not in ZH, IF this Company could cover my area, I could seal the scoket in my flat therefore reduce 30CHF? anyway what do you think about this Company? Looks like the best deal so far ...though regional...
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Old 04.12.2015, 17:10
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Hi Tom, (maybe 22yards)
thanks a lot for your good advise. am counting on you.

yes not in ZH, IF this Company could cover my area, I could seal the scoket in my flat therefore reduce 30CHF? anyway what do you think about this Company? Looks like the best deal so far ...though regional...
I'm happy with Cablecom Internet. No complaints really. It does what it says on the tin.
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I didn't know there was no fee for fiber with Cable-com. That's good to know

Is there a network map that shows fiber coverage?
Did not know the Cablcom offers its products over fiber, thought it is good old copper coax only.

For Zurich city see other thread.
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Old 04.12.2015, 17:17
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Did not know the Cablcom offers its products over fiber, thought it is good old copper coax only.
It may not but the poster said he was going with Cablecom and did not live in Zurich city so not sure why you mentioned it in response to my reply to him?

Surely that just makes it more complicated to understand?
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

Lets all do like Plumtree and not pay, that way they'll close the radio and TV stations down which would then close Billag down and no more problem.
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It may not but the poster said he was going with Cablecom and did not live in Zurich city so not sure why you mentioned it in response to my reply to him?
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I am moving into Zurich in a couple of weeks time.
Location: Zurich.

You did know more than me (Do not know where you got the area part from, maybe my location?). At least until he posted "yes not in ZH".

@Smirnoff: Check if you indeed have upc cablcom as a TV network provider or one of the many others: http://www.cablemodem.ch/providerliste/ktzh/ktzh.htm
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

sorry not in ZH, I am arriving in ZH ...but not moving in....sorry Tom. it is in Basel area.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

I am sure it is cablecom...that is what the previous tennant told me...which is included in Nebenkosten.
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A lot of years living in this country, violated many laws, nearly never prosecuted, still do not recommend others to go 150 on the Swiss autobahn or smoke weed on the Pardeplatz.
Me too! As I'm not a lawyer I don't and won't recommend anything in this regard. Just giving my experience. YMMV
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sorry not in ZH, I am arriving in ZH ...but not moving in....sorry Tom. it is in Basel area.
Fiber to the Home in Basel City (and I assume Bettingen and Reihen):
http://www.glasfasernetz-basel.ch/


AFAIK in Canton Basel Land there is no FTTH for private costumers.

Means for Internet you are either stuck with internet via tv network socket. Or a DSL provider through the telephone socket.

Internet only

Cablecom:
2Mbit/0.2MBit is CHF ~30/month (Basic Connection fee)
40Mbit/4MBit is CHF ~30/month + CHF 49/month = 79/month
250MBit/25MBit is CHF ~30/month + CHF 89/month = 119/Month

Swisscom (there are other DSL providers):
50Mbit/10MBit is 79/Month
250Mbit/50MBit is 99/Month

Once again: Yes, if you do not need any Cablecom services, get the socket sealed and save CHF 30 each month.
No need to seal the telephone socket, they just unhook you at the exchange.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

As a recap, so people can make their own mind up if they don't want to read yes-no-yes-no-yes in the thread...

The actual law says this:

Art. 57 Devices suitable for reception

(Art. 68 para. 1 RTVA)

The following are subject to the obligation to notify and to pay fees for the reception of radio or television programme services:

a. devices which are intended for programme service reception or which include specific components intended exclusively for reception;

b. multifunctional devices if they are equivalent in terms of variety of receivable programme services and reception quality to the devices in terms of letter a.

And Billag says this in its "interpretetive" document:

Reception of private television programs (via Internet)

Requirements for the private reception of television programs via the Internet:
  • reception via ISDN or broadband connection (eg wireless, ADSL, cable network, etc.) and
  • Reception via corresponding software (eg Media Player, RealPlayer) and
  • conclusion of a paid subscription for the reception of television programs via the Internet with a corresponding Internet service provider or the registration at a provider of free access to television programs
If these conditions are met, there is a payment obligation for television reception via Internet, even if no other TV receivers are present.
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:22
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As a recap, so people can make their own mind up if they don't want to read yes-no-yes-no-yes in the thread...

The actual law says this:

Art. 57 Devices suitable for reception

(Art. 68 para. 1 RTVA)

The following are subject to the obligation to notify and to pay fees for the reception of radio or television programme services:

a. devices which are intended for programme service reception or which include specific components intended exclusively for reception;

b. multifunctional devices if they are equivalent in terms of variety of receivable programme services and reception quality to the devices in terms of letter a.

And Billag says this in its "interpretetive" document:

Reception of private television programs (via Internet)

Requirements for the private reception of television programs via the Internet:
  • reception via ISDN or broadband connection (eg wireless, ADSL, cable network, etc.) and
  • Reception via corresponding software (eg Media Player, RealPlayer) and
  • conclusion of a paid subscription for the reception of television programs via the Internet with a corresponding Internet service provider or the registration at a provider of free access to television programs
If these conditions are met, there is a payment obligation for television reception via Internet, even if no other TV receivers are present.
unless I'm mssing something, referring to the original page that is taken from, there is a lot of talk of obligation to notify and obligation to pay, but no unambiguous clear legal definition of who the collection agency is, or what the correct legal procedure for appoining and announcing or verifying said agency is. Nor does it explain the correct legal procedure for devolving collection rights to third parties. As the pensioners they send to knock on your door are independent agents working on a commission basis, I see plenty of opportunity for poking sticks into the spokes here.
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:23
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As a recap, so people can make their own mind up if they don't want to read yes-no-yes-no-yes in the thread...

The actual law says this:

Art. 57 Devices suitable for reception

(Art. 68 para. 1 RTVA)

The following are subject to the obligation to notify and to pay fees for the reception of radio or television programme services:

a. devices which are intended for programme service reception or which include specific components intended exclusively for reception;

b. multifunctional devices if they are equivalent in terms of variety of receivable programme services and reception quality to the devices in terms of letter a.

And Billag says this in its "interpretetive" document:

Reception of private television programs (via Internet)

Requirements for the private reception of television programs via the Internet:
  • reception via ISDN or broadband connection (eg wireless, ADSL, cable network, etc.) and
  • Reception via corresponding software (eg Media Player, RealPlayer) and
  • conclusion of a paid subscription for the reception of television programs via the Internet with a corresponding Internet service provider or the registration at a provider of free access to television programs
If these conditions are met, there is a payment obligation for television reception via Internet, even if no other TV receivers are present.
... and once again, take note of that third bullet point -- the requirement for a paid or free TV subscription. In the absence of a subscription, there should be no liability to pay the Billag TV fee.
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unless I'm mssing something, referring to the original page that is taken from, there is a lot of talk of obligation to notify and obligation to pay, but no unambiguous clear legal definition of who the collection agency is.
Why, Billag, of course -- because they said so!
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Why, Billag, of course -- because they said so!
There was a case in Germany some years ago where a number of borrowers took their bank to court because the bank wouldn't reduce the interest of a fixed-rate mortgage product. The banks said, well that's why its a fixed rate mortgage, so hard luck. But the judge decided that although the contract was otherwise watertight, they had mis-stated the law in their brochures in some subtle way and therefore they had sold the mortgage under false pretenses and thus it was void and unenforcable.

Billag's re-interpretation of the law in their own words as they do in their brochures and on their website might constitute a similar reason to invalidate their collection rights.
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