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Old 05.12.2016, 12:28
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

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Nationalism can mean different things to different people and at different moments in time. Starting in Stuart times the UK fostered an "artificial" nationalism to tell the Scots and Irish (and Welsh) that they were all part of one family of nations. Later the same concept was projected onto the entire Commonwealth. The Spaniards did something similar with their concept of "Hispanidad" binding all Spanish-speaking nations of the world into a common concept. Tito tried it with Yugoslavia and succeeded at first but it fell apart later. China has been doing it for a long time and even countries like India are ultimately artificial constructs.

None of these countries can be accused of being overly fascist.
That was my point. You're the one who equated fascism with nationalism and asked me if I was doing so.
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I don't think you need to have imperial ambitions to be fascist or even to be overly nationalist to be a fascist.
I think you'll find it's quite difficult to have fascism without nationalism. It's like communism without class struggle.
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Mussolini in his younger years rejected the concept of ethinicity in nationalism and said everybody who agreed with him was welcome to join the fascist movement.
He rejected racialism, at least until about 1938, not ethnicity which is a far more nebulous term. You would be correct in saying everybody who agreed with him was welcome to join the fascist movement, but they did have to become Italianized - as evidenced by fascist policy in both Sud Tyrol and Istria/Dalmatia - so given culture is part of ethnicity, he would not have fully rejected it.

Bare in mind, colonial racism was practised, but that was common at the time and arguably less than one would experience in a British colony.
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Syriza has more in common with the far right than many are comfortable with. Podemos is only considered left wing because it says so itself. Sinn Fein is a bit more complicated as it has gone through multiple developments and changes in its history.

Basque and Catalan nationalism is pretty much left wing on the other hand.
Doesn't really challenge what I said.
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