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Old 20.12.2017, 17:22
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

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The thing is, all this will do is galvanise support for the government in Poland. Just like in Hungary when there was pressure against Orban. Eastern Europeans are very proud and nationalistic and will see this as an attack on their country. If this is to be the outcome, makes you wonder why bother in the first place?
yes, and in that repsct I think the Poles are even tougher and more nationalistic than the Hunagrians.

Hungarian nationalism is mostly a matter of political expeditiousness. They used to rule an empire and had no qualms about adopting and borrowing stuff from the countries they ruled. They have loads of ethic, linguistic and religious miinorities even today. If you look at their history, their ancestors came from all over, including central Asia, and their culture still shows it. So they're not really nationslistic at all in the old school racialist sense but just a mixture of patriotic and easily excited. Oh yes, and they have a natural distrust of authority and hate being told what to do. The showdown between Hungary and the EU might have come out quite differently if only the EU had done their homework and played their cards more smartly. But the EU wouldn't listen to reason and insisted on digging its own hole on that one. All that Orban had to do was hand them a nice big spade.

Poland, on the other hand, is deeply religious about being nationalistic. The EU is really playing a dangerous game if they want to light that fuse.
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