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Old 29.04.2010, 00:03
hoppy
 
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Re: European jewish call for reason

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But don't you think individual Palestinians should have the choice to decide whether or not they wish to apply for citizenship in a neighbouring Arab country, rather than having it decided for them, for ideological reasons, by the government of that nation?
Nigerians would like to apply for citizenship in Switzerland, they are mostly Christians- just like the Palestinians and Arabs are mostly Muslims- so why doesn't Switzerland take them, I mean come on same religion same thing huh?



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Furthermore, given that most Palestinians around today weren't even born when Israel was created, insisting on a right to return to a country which was lost in the time of their fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers is, surely, putting principle before common sense. If they return to their ancestral lands, then what? The olive grove is covered in a housing development, the orange orchard has a factory on it and Grandpa's little stone house is nowhere to be seen.
It is not lost, they never gave it up it was stolen, why are you trying to get us to accept the concept of it being irretrievably lost? It sounds to me like accept it, you lose Palestine get over it, now let's move on.

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I know I keep coming back to Northern Cyprus, but as a successor state of the Ottoman Empire, subject to a violent occupation resulting in the death and displacement of much of its indigenous population, there are enough parallels to the Palestine/Israel situation to make it useful for comparison: I was sitting on a plane, returning from Cyprus a few days after the Ledra Street checkpoint had been opened to Cypriots for the first time since 1974, when I got chatting to my neighbour, a Greek Cypriot from North London. The day before her flight, she had returned to her house, which she hadn't seen since she'd been forced to flee with her family 30 years before. When she got there, she found that the house in which she had grown up was occupied by a Turkish family which had come to Cyprus as colonists. She had been horrified to see the home she loved so much in the hands of invaders, outsiders, foreigners. It was, as you can imagine, a deeply emotional moment for her.

The Turkish family invited her inside and offered her tea. She looked around at the walls that were so familiar to her in memory, yet so strange to her in reality, adorned with faded photographs of people she didn't know and framed tapestries of verses from the Koran where before had been icons of the saints. As she sat in the kitchen, looking around her, she came to realise that the house was no longer hers, and could never be hers ever again. She knew that she couldn't erase thirty years of history, even if the United Nations were to insist that the occupiers had to leave and return her property to her.
So one evil deed deserves another in return- what goes around comes around? When will this cycle of abuse end- when perpetrators are punished in a court of law.

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One can never go back. Palestine is lost forever. Reparations may be possible, but the land and property will never be returned.

Until that sad fact is acknowledged, there can never be peace there.
So there is real peace in Cyprus read this:

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Of the world's responses to Israeli aggression, Turkish and Greek officials have been among the most severe. Their common outrage may indicate a deeper basis for rethinking Turkish-Greek relations on a wide variety of issues. The natural sympathy for Muslim victims by Turkey has been matched by a natural Greek sympathy for oppressed minorities. We believe, however, there is more to the similarity of Turkish and Greek responses to Israeli aggression than sympathy for Palestinians.Both Turks and Greeks have had long histories and profound influence in the Arab Middle East. The center of the Hellenistic world was the Middle East, extending from Byzantium to Alexandria, from the Aegean islands and the Cedars of Lebanon to Iran and Central Asia. More recently, the Ottoman Turks ruled the region and beyond for 500 years. While Ottoman rule of the Greeks has been a source of resentment, it, nonetheless, provided multiple points of interpenetration of language, culture and practices, especially of ordinary people. Of course, many differences persist, especially religious, which sometimes help to continue animosity that may otherwise have receded from memory.
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/de...ay&link=164596