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Old 05.09.2006, 18:37
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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

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I challenge anyone who thinks these guidelines have anything other than the noble intention of keeping this place in the high quality-to-noise ratio that been kept so far.
The intention of the guidelines/policy is not being question. The methodology, however, is being questioned.

The quality-noise-ratio has been excellent during many months of reading.

However, this policy statement does nothing to improve this ratio. Indeed, it is not even mentioned in the original posting.
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Old 05.09.2006, 18:43
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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

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The intention of the guidelines/policy is not being question. The methodology, however, is being questioned.

The quality-noise-ratio has been excellent during many months of reading.

However, this policy statement does nothing to improve this ratio. Indeed, it is not even mentioned in the original posting.
it must have had some effect for you to stop lurking
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Old 06.09.2006, 10:27
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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

Guys don't you think you are overreacting??? It was just a simple request to keep in mind the others who don't speak German/French/Italien/Romantsch!

When you tell your friends and family back home about your experiences don't you make an effort to use English??? You might
realise you've used a "local" word and confused your family/friend or whoever you are talking to by the expression on their face.

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mark, you've clearly been in Switzerland (die Schweiz, CH, ...) far too long.
someone who is so self obsessed and inconsiderate as to make such a statement and fuss about a simple guideline to make the forum more accessible to other has DEFINITLEY been here too long... REEKS of CONFORM OR LEAVE that we hear all the time by the Swiss.
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Old 06.09.2006, 10:55
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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

This is getting muddled. I feel guidelines are fine and relevent, but it IS a hassle having to explain/translate whenever one uses a locally specific word. The flavour and colour is diluted somewhat if we HAVE to adhere solely to English. I guestimate 99%+ of the words used here are English words and should any of the Swiss languages pop up from time to time they are also relevent. The Forum is surely a place to swap information, comments and ideas. The Mods do a fine job in managing the Forum and it's important it's available for everyone but it *feels* slightly totalitarian to be told how to write. (Although content is a different issue...)
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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

Basically Ming concurs with Uncle Max.

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This is getting muddled. I feel guidelines are fine and relevent, but it IS a hassle having to explain/translate whenever one uses a locally specific word.
This is exactly where a glossary would be useful. It gets done once and thats it.

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The flavour and colour is diluted somewhat if we HAVE to adhere solely to English. I guestimate 99%+ of the words used here are English words and should any of the Swiss languages pop up from time to time they are also relevent.
This is exactly Ming's point.

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The Forum is surely a place to swap information, comments and ideas. The Mods do a fine job in managing the Forum and it's important it's available for everyone but it *feels* slightly totalitarian to be told how to write. (Although content is a different issue...)
That's because it is totalitarian to be told how to write. Using words which are relevant to the post should not be so blightly banned.

If using a German/French/Italian words are used in a post, they are highly likely to be relevant to the post. A glossary will allow people to look up words they don't understand without the need for diktat.
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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

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Ming, is it just me, or are your two posts almost identical? Were you trying to underscore your point by making it twice?

Consider you've never actually posted here before (until now) I do find it odd that you are complaining so much about the extra work you'll have to go to in order to write in English. Or are you complaining that it will be extra work for all the people who read messages to have to read the terms in English instead of their native languages? I'm not even sure if you are supporting the use of German words since your location says "Switzerland" we have no clue as to where you are within Switzerland.

My suggestion - do some posting here, contribute to the forum, then come in here and tell us why you disagree.
Mark I appreciate your request to open up the forum to more people, using words everyone will understand. I think a polite request for this would be enough.

I would like to comment however that at times, no matter what language is spoken people can be sensitive to over-criticism, it seems from the above thread you are one of these. I would politely request then, that the moral of this tale is to treat others how you would like to be treated.

I'll make it simple for Google. Please do not criticise people that are merely trying to voice an opinion whether they are new or not! The number of posts should not be a pre-requisite for correctness, I notice you have 5 gold stars but it doesn't mean you are 100% right all of the time. I feel sometimes this comes across as a little aggressive, and i'm sure this is not your intention for a free and loving commune!Gemeinde
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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

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Basically Ming concurs with Uncle Max.
I'm doomed!!!
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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

Regarding a glossary - how could it be set up?

I was thinking of starting a thread to which people could add terms and words but it quickly became apparent that there has to be some way to format it so that it's easy to read.

Is it possible to set up tables for input or something? Or maybe we just add in words haphazardly and someone formats it into a sticky later on.


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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

Golly gosh people .... what's happening?

Let's just all take the chill-pill and make the effort to write in English. Is it really so hard? We don't have to analyse every rule and policy. From what I gather, most agree with the principle of this but the depth of its implementation is being (too) hotly debated.

So how about we just post the best we can and bear in mind this new policy. Please don't start translating street names as it won't make sense. No one is going to find a restaurant on long street, 8004 Zurich. But saying to someone new that they have to go to their local council office (Gemeinde/Kreisburo) will probably help them plenty. For a start, they'll know what a Gemeinde/Kreisburo is or if they need to ask for directions.

Let's just all use common sense to make our posts more readable and helpful and avoid taking out hammer and tongs to straighten out and perfect a policy before it is even tried.

My two rappens (swiss coin currency) worth.
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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

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In my opinion:



someone who is so self obsessed and inconsiderate as to make such a statement and fuss about a simple guideline to make the forum more accessible to other has DEFINITLEY been here too long...
Your opinion would be wrong. If you had even glanced at my profile you would know that. Maybe you should refrain from making judgements about people until you actually have some facts.
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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

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Golly gosh people .... what's happening?

Let's just all take the chill-pill and make the effort to write in English. Is it really so hard? We don't have to analyse every rule and policy.
Here, here!! Enough already . . . this molehill has rapidly been built up into a mountain.
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Here, here!! Enough already . . . this molehill has rapidly been built up into a mountain.
I agree, though am mightily impressed by your ability to mention mole in your reply!
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I agree, though am mightily impressed by your ability to mention mole in your reply!
[Music Mole takes a bow]


I thought about "tempest in a teapot" but . . . .
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Re: Guideline: Use of foreign words/terms in posts

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Golly gosh people .... what's happening?

Let's just all take the chill-pill and make the effort to write in English. Is it really so hard? We don't have to analyse every rule and policy. From what I gather, most agree with the principle of this but the depth of its implementation is being (too) hotly debated.
Ming is not arguing with the depth or the breadth of the proposed implementation but with the whole proposed implementation. It introduces massive repetition of unnecessary verbiage. Most of the posts here are in English anyway, with German/French/Italian used when necessary.

If terms are to be made clear, conciseness is required.

Not repetition.

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Let's just all use common sense to make our posts more readable and helpful and avoid taking out hammer and tongs to straighten out and perfect a policy before it is even tried.
Ming finds the englishforum to be quite readable as it is. A glossary would make it more helpful. This proposal will reduce the readability and, therefore, the helpfulness of the site for reasons given above. Hammers, tongs and sickles were drawn when attempting to impose a diktat which makes people use of the forum more unwieldy.

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My two rappens (swiss coin currency) worth.
The Franc is also a Swiss Coin Currency.
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The Franc is also a Swiss Coin Currency.
Mole....get the teapot!!
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The Franc is also a Swiss Coin Currency.


As Homer would say......doh!
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Mole....get the teapot!!


Do you think cold water or boiling oil would be more effective?
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