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The magic of the internet; you can perform the mod job from other countries like the UK or even Malta.
Do you think those thinly veiled personal attacks are useful? Isn't this entire thing in part about getting rid of them?
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Old 23.09.2021, 18:02
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But you can't without being on here.
Not sure why you think I've not been on here. I've been here regularly, often daily, mostly a couple of times a week.

What do your logs show?
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Not sure why you think I've not been on here. I've been here regularly, often daily, mostly a couple of times a week.

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lack of wellies on the ground?
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Not sure why you think I've not been on here. I've been here regularly, often daily, mostly a couple of times a week.

What do your logs show?
I don't believe you. But that's not really relevant, which is why I've deleted the quote before I saw your post.
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Old 23.09.2021, 18:13
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I would like to thank thelocal for showing concern over the state of the forum and taking direct action to clean things up and make the changes that they saw fit to make based on their assessment of what they read, which was clearly enough to cause them a lot of concern.

Here's hoping that the forum will take a new and calmer direction and I count myself among the members that should take this intervention as an opportunity to reset the tone to something more productive. In combination with a fresh and more balanced moderating team, the new zero tolerance for fake news, conspiracy theories and anti-scientific misinformation about serious topics should go a long way to reducing the reactivity of people when they previously read such things.

Thanks MichaelHarold and thelocal, there are many people that will appreciate what you have done and I hope you take more of an interest in the smooth running of the forum going forward.
…..so let’s be clear Chuff, you’re going to completely change your character? And possibly revoke your policy of undertaking your typical red repping and rolling laugh comment from those who mildly criticise your attitude? I doubt it. Even fake news, conspiracy, etc is more palatable than how you act on this forum, though… if you are turning over a new leaf, it can only be supported.

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Old 23.09.2021, 18:16
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Bravo, Michael, and wishing the downsized mod and spam team much success.

It’s nice to have EF up and running again.
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Old 23.09.2021, 18:16
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At the end of the day this is 'your' forum, mainly for English speakers who live in Switzerland. If people choose to fight, troll, grandstand, bully, groan/neg-rep etc… then it will quickly descend again and this time The Local may pull the plug for good. What they’ve demonstrated is that those aren’t idle threats, and some of us at least will miss it when its gone.

And as mods we’ve been equally chastened, its time to step up and do more to keep this place as friendly as possible. And that means for those who are hell-bent on causing trouble, they will be banned, because its either that or ‘we’ lose the forum altogether.
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Old 23.09.2021, 18:23
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The magic of the internet; you can perform the mod job from other countries like the UK or even Malta.
You are deriding a former moderator who not only participated actively in discussions but never did anything to censor or restrict people's opinions. He didn't deserve that comment Marton
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Old 23.09.2021, 18:31
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You are deriding a former moderator who not only participated actively in discussions but never did anything to censor or restrict people's opinions. He didn't deserve that comment Marton
Agreed, can we please just be civil!!
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It's more than amazing anybody really cares this much about the forum at all !
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At the end of the day this is 'your' forum, mainly for English speakers who live in Switzerland. If people choose to fight, troll, grandstand, bully, groan/neg-rep etc… then it will quickly descend again and this time The Local may pull the plug for good. What they’ve demonstrated is that those aren’t idle threats, and some of us at least will miss it when its gone.
When The Local purchased EF this is exactly what they wrote in their opening post when the transfer was done:

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Englishforum is a business venture for The Local and if they don't have the time or the willingness to invest the time and money running EF in the years to come, maybe they should give it back to the community.

Without members posting there will be no EF. If members move elsewhere, there always will be EF
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Old 23.09.2021, 18:57
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It's more than amazing anybody really cares this much about the forum at all !
Well nobody on Reddit gives a sh1t. 11 hours and no response.
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Old 23.09.2021, 19:30
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Does it say Hunter Biden on it?
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Old 23.09.2021, 20:25
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At the end of the day this is 'your' forum, mainly for English speakers who live in Switzerland. If people choose to fight, troll, grandstand, bully, groan/neg-rep etc… then it will quickly descend again and this time The Local may pull the plug for good. What they’ve demonstrated is that those aren’t idle threats, and some of us at least will miss it when its gone.

And as mods we’ve been equally chastened, its time to step up and do more to keep this place as friendly as possible. And that means for those who are hell-bent on causing trouble, they will be banned, because its either that or ‘we’ lose the forum altogether.
This is all well and good, but you seem to have missed an important point. Both you and your moderator colleague Mirfield have suddenly popped back up despite being absent (or rather unseen) for a long period of time. From your absence as moderators either you endorsed the job that was being done, or in the very least were happy to take a back seat.

This is what makes this "mix up" a sham. There hasn't been a mix up as the likes of yourself and Mirfield were already there, just some moderators have been removed. Which is fair enough, but The Local shouldn't insult our intelligence by pretending that this is a "fresh start" when it's anything but. The same way they shouldn't talk about homophobia, conspiracy theories and sexism in platitudes, when on the surface it appears that their detailed analysis was over within 24 hours.
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Old 23.09.2021, 20:26
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It's more than amazing anybody really cares this much about the forum at all !
I don't find it amazing that people care about the forum. Not at all.

Over the years, and in between - or, more accurately, apart from, the squabbling - this forum has helped many people, and still does.

Some need to understand how their permits will work or what their options are for their children's schooling, or the significance of the three-pillar system, or where to buy certain products.

Beyond those everyday matters, this forum has, in various combinations of online posts and personal interventions offline, rescued a number of people from confusing and even dire situations, and actually saved lives. Having witnessed how wonderful users here can mobilise to reach out and help, be it with information, care or advice, sometimes with practical help, and best of all when also with compassion, I'm very grateful that this forum exists, and can fully understand why people care about it.

Also: sometimes it's a good place to read something really witty, and nearly choke on one's chuckle-infused coffee.
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Old 23.09.2021, 20:42
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This is all well and good, but you seem to have missed an important point. Both you and your moderator colleague Mirfield have suddenly popped back up despite being absent (or rather unseen) for a long period of time. From your absence as moderators either you endorsed the job that was being done, or in the very least were happy to take a back seat.

This is what makes this "mix up" a sham. There hasn't been a mix up as the likes of yourself and Mirfield were already there, just some moderators have been removed. Which is fair enough, but The Local shouldn't insult our intelligence by pretending that this is a "fresh start" when it's anything but. The same way they shouldn't talk about homophobia, conspiracy theories and sexism in platitudes, when on the surface it appears that their detailed analysis was over within 24 hours.
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If you have read the first announcement on 16 Sept. about closing the forum you would have seen "however, we've seen plenty of content that doesn't reflect these core values." so clearly your claim "Harold is a very fast reader" is not based on fact.
Their detailed analysis was not over within 24 hours.

When was homophobia mentioned by theLocal?
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Well nobody on Reddit gives a sh1t. 11 hours and no response.
'course not, jobs done innit!
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Their detailed analysis was not over within 24 hours.

When was homophobia mentioned by theLocal?
Post #1 of this thread.
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Re: Update regarding the forum

I personally would like to thank all the mods - past, present and future - for the (usually) thankless task they perform. In their own time, when they could be doing something better (and more enjoyable)!

It is not easy herding this ragbag collection of cats - especially when some have such obvious personality problems.

Although I had previously found FMF a sometimes annoying poster and occasionally disruptive opinionator (translation: "sometimes said stuff I didn't agree with"), I have to say that as a mod he was both active in his reponse to my queries, fair in his views, and both calm and measured in his approach to a resolution. All of which took place behind the scenes.

The best moderation goes unnoticed.

I hope the forum goes from strength to strength. It IS a useful resource for newbies here, and SHOULD be a fun community for the same people as they stay on.

As Michael Harold said: "take care and be kind."


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