Any Diamond dealers on this thread

[grumpygit]

were drifting here a little. the main point for me was, would you buy a diamond off somebody new on a forum without any assurances (including wether it was nicked or not) or not?

[Nil]

	Quote:	Petit Jolie
	Africa is a continent not a country. The continent houses 7 of the worlds top 10 diamond producing countries. An estimated 65% of the world's diamonds come from Africa. If one refers to conflict/or blood diamonds in Sierra Leone & Angola (countries), I agree with the above statement. http://topforeignstocks.com/wp/wp-co...-producers.gif Diamonds are priced according to Cut The beauty of a diamond resides not only in a favorable body color, but more importantly in its optical properties Color, Clarity, Carat Weight, Table Width, Total Depth, Pavilion, Culet, Fluorescence, Symmetry, Polish (and markup)

Yes, why my statement. I won't take the risk to buy a diamond from Africa (as a continent). If it comes from Sierra Leone it can be written it is for an other country to ''hide'' where the diamond is coming from.

[Treverus]

	Quote:	Nil
	Yes, why my statement. I won't take the risk to buy a diamond from Africa (as a continent). If it comes from Sierra Leone it can be written it is for an other country to ''hide'' where the diamond is coming from.

So if it says "Australia" on the package it must be true? I don't think that's the way organized crime works... All diamond jewellery I bought so far came from brands I trust. I expect them to source ethically - which they guarantee - and am willing to pay a premium for it.

But back to the topic: OP, what type of certificates do the stones come with? HRD as they are from Belgium or GIA? The various grading organisations seem to differ quite significantly on how they rate stones - which in turn has of course a massive impact on the price...

Being cheaper than Bahnhofstrasse is not really a challenge... so here is one: Are you also cheaper than trusted large reseller of high quality stones like bluenile.com? They ship to Switzerland....

Diamonds of India are shaped and polished by hands of children. They are cheap labour and can do the finishing better than the hand of a grown up.

The kids are trained from age 7 !!!

[CorsebouTheReturn]

	Quote:	Treverus
	Being cheaper than Bahnhofstrasse is not really a challenge... so here is one: Are you also cheaper than trusted large reseller of high quality stones like bluenile.com? They ship to Switzerland.... And they make their jewel in india... which they sell on "US prices"

Why not cutting the "middle man" (ie bluenile here) and buy directly from the most safe, most expensive and famous India jewellers examplehttp://www.tanishq.co.in/)

[CorsebouTheReturn]

	Quote:	armandair
	Diamonds of India are shaped and polished by hands of children. They are cheap labour and can do the finishing better than the hand of a grown up. The kids are trained from age 7 !!!

That's why I was saying that despite having bought from "good reputation" shop(bluenile), it's still sucks- Yes maybe its not "blood diamond" (who knows) and maybe its safe (well I don't think they would give me a fake), it's still very questionable.

[rob1]

it has been shown that the kimberly process is not fail safe and is easily open to abuse, stones crossing borders makes true blood diamonds into legitimate stones that can enter the system. The industry estimates 1-2% of stones in "legitimate" circulation are from conflict areas.

The problem is actually finding out where your diamond is from... the lab reports i have seen do not list the country of origin.

i would have no problem buying a stone from a private person providing it is certified and the authenticity of the stone and certificate can be verified with the testing house.

TBH if anyone was in the market for a diamond, the place to go is antwerp - 45 mins on the bus from brussels airport.

The main diamond centre is 1 street away from the train and bus station.

The trick is to get in contact with a diamond dealer for the stone, rather than a shop that will take its cut.

Other options to look at are cultured stones, most places will not have a cultured white diamond as the costs between a natural and cultured are very close.

For fancy colours, cultured is the way to go, they come with certificates and some are laser etched with the certificate number.

in general a SI diamond is perfectly fine for jewelery and can not be generally seen without magnification. By naked eye there is no difference between a SI, VS or VVS, using an eye piece is a different matter.

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	rob1
	it has been shown that the kimberly process is not fail safe and is easily open to abuse, stones crossing borders makes true blood diamonds into legitimate stones that can enter the system. The industry estimates 1-2% of stones in "legitimate" circulation are from conflict areas. i would have no problem buying a stone from a private person providing it is certified and the authenticity of the stone and certificate can be verified with the testing house. TBH if anyone was in the market for a diamond, the place to go is antwerp - 45 mins on the bus from brussels airport. The main diamond centre is 1 street away from the train and bus station. The trick is to get in contact with a diamond dealer for the stone, rather than a shop that will take its cut. Other options to look at are cultured stones, most places will not have a cultured white diamond as the costs between a natural and cultured are very close. For fancy colours, cultured is the way to go, they come with certificates and some are laser etched with the certificate number. in general a SI diamond is perfectly fine for jewelery and can not be generally seen without magnification. By naked eye there is no difference between a SI, VS or VVS, using an eye piece is a different matter.

cubic zirconia is also fine for jewellery, free of blood diamond concerns, much sparklier and also a lot cheaper.

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	cubic zirconia is also fine for jewellery, free of blood diamond concerns, much sparklier and also a lot cheaper.

...and brass for jewellery and if everyone drove a Lada, they'd be comparatively fast...

[ukal123]

Sorry guys I haven't managed to spend time on the forum in the past few days,
and just went through all the post.

Obviously all the Diamonds i would sell would include certificates of the leading
inspectors like GIA, AGS and so on to ensure they are not any blood diamonds amongst them.

The reason why I could offer them as cheapER is, I have friends who work in
Antwerp, London and Tel Aviv @ the Diamond borse (district) some of them wholesalers, so instead of paying for 6 dif. commissions for each of the middle men till it reaches Bahnhofstr. i want to offer you tell me exactly what it is that you want and will quote you a price which probably will be about 40% cheaper then the high street but youl get the exact same quality.

Dose this make sense ?

And regarding who i am, Im a 21 year old MALE currently studying abroad and love anything to do with business or entrepreneurship.

Thanks everyone for your help

[glinaa]

	Quote:	ukal123
	Dose this make sense ?

Absolutely. The longer you live here, the more surprised you are to see things offered with a small markup.

You have my thumbs up, but I'm not sure if this is the proper business model for Switzerland. The word cheap is not the one Swiss like to use.

[Treverus]

	Quote:	CorsebouTheReturn
	Why not cutting the "middle man" (ie bluenile here) and buy directly from the most safe, most expensive and famous India jewellers examplehttp://www.tanishq.co.in/)

Can you explain me in short why I would want to buy from the most expensive jeweller?

[grumpygit]

	Quote:	ukal123
	Sorry guys I haven't managed to spend time on the forum in the past few days, and just went through all the post. Obviously all the Diamonds i would sell would include certificates of the leading inspectors like GIA, AGS and so on to ensure they are not any blood diamonds amongst them. The reason why I could offer them as cheapER is, I have friends who work in Antwerp, London and Tel Aviv @ the Diamond borse (district) some of them wholesalers, so instead of paying for 6 dif. commissions for each of the middle men till it reaches Bahnhofstr. i want to offer you tell me exactly what it is that you want and will quote you a price which probably will be about 40% cheaper then the high street but youl get the exact same quality. Dose this make sense ? And regarding who i am, Im a 21 year old MALE currently studying abroad and love anything to do with business or entrepreneurship. Thanks everyone for your help

I really don't want to appear too doubting but you were on this thread only yesterday at 19h05 or maybe I've got it wrong. I just don't believe in selling high value goods through a web forum of friends with a common link.sorry but as the dragons say "I'm out"

[swans1984]

	Quote:	grumpygit
	I really don't want to appear too doubting but you were on this thread only yesterday at 19h05 or maybe I've got it wrong. I just don't believe in selling high value goods through a web forum of friends with a common link.sorry but as the dragons say "I'm out"

But i think you are missing the point a bit, he never said he hadnt been on teh forum he said he had not spent time on here to me thats a totally different meaning.

Can i ask why is it ur belief you people shouldn't sell high value goods on a forum, why would someone want to pay more for the same product this person can get you 40% cheaper.

To most people its a no brainer you go with the cheaper supplier if the goods are of the same value.

[Anthony1406]

I dont get the no blood diamond business thing. They all come (mostly ) from the same place right? Africa. well they are all found the same way no? Its hard labor to find them....so im pretty sure every diamond is a blood diamond. (i have close family who worked in the diamond industry and told me they all come from the same place in the same way) the certificate ....well thats easy to make now isnt it....
I bought my ring for the gf from Antwerp, with this close family member, so he knew the value very well ....without receipt and without certificate and WELL below the retail value... several 1000's

both told me that the certificate is basically nothing.....sad as it is......but true

Yes, the diamonds from Africa are found all more or less in the same style.
Blood diamond or not. Blood diamond only means that the stones found in Angola and Sierra Leone are funding the rebels. But funding a fishy side business is not exclusive to those two countries.

There is the land owner. The workers there are working at conditions that makes one sick from only looking at it. They work in a entrepreneurial way: meaning no fix salary. Whatever they find has to be presented to the land owner, as apparently he also owns the people working on his land. He then decides the price - at his own will, of course. Meaning worker gets almost nothing, he sells the diamond to the next bigger broker in the region.

De Beers, the world biggest diamond dealer, comes not in at this stage.

The company had huge problems in the 70s. The diamond industry as we know it today, is based on a marketing campaign, promoting this "a diamond is forever" thing in combination with a romantic outlook, suggesting only if you buy a diamond your love will last forever.

	Quote:	Anthony1406
	I dont get the no blood diamond business thing. They all come (mostly ) from the same place right? Africa. well they are all found the same way no? Its hard labor to find them....so im pretty sure every diamond is a blood diamond. (i have close family who worked in the diamond industry and told me they all come from the same place in the same way) the certificate ....well thats easy to make now isnt it.... I bought my ring for the gf from Antwerp, with this close family member, so he knew the value very well ....without receipt and without certificate and WELL below the retail value... several 1000's both told me that the certificate is basically nothing.....sad as it is......but true

[grumpygit]

	Quote:	swans1984
	But i think you are missing the point a bit, he never said he hadnt been on teh forum he said he had not spent time on here to me thats a totally different meaning. Can i ask why is it ur belief you people shouldn't sell high value goods on a forum, why would someone want to pay more for the same product this person can get you 40% cheaper. To most people its a no brainer you go with the cheaper supplier if the goods are of the same value.

He said he hadn't been on the forum in the last few days which wasn't true. My opinion that this kind of transaction shouldn't take place via a forum is my own opinion, indidntvsay I thought it should be outlawed so as I have said previously if you had read all the threads you go ahead.

[Nil]

	Quote:	swans1984
	But i think you are missing the point a bit, he never said he hadnt been on teh forum he said he had not spent time on here to me thats a totally different meaning. Can i ask why is it ur belief you people shouldn't sell high value goods on a forum, why would someone want to pay more for the same product this person can get you 40% cheaper. To most people its a no brainer you go with the cheaper supplier if the goods are of the same value.

You can also have a strong believe to not support slavation and child works for peanuts.

	Quote:	Anthony1406
	I dont get the no blood diamond business thing. They all come (mostly ) from the same place right? Africa. well they are all found the same way no? Its hard labor to find them....so im pretty sure every diamond is a blood diamond. (i have close family who worked in the diamond industry and told me they all come from the same place in the same way) the certificate ....well thats easy to make now isnt it.... I bought my ring for the gf from Antwerp, with this close family member, so he knew the value very well ....without receipt and without certificate and WELL below the retail value... several 1000's both told me that the certificate is basically nothing.....sad as it is......but true

No, you can find very very high quality of Diamonds find in Canada, cut in Canada by well paid workers.

This is when responsible education kicks in when you want to buy ethical.

[Nil]

Here some informations...

[rob1]

	Quote:	ukal123
	The reason why I could offer them as cheapER is, I have friends who work in Antwerp, London and Tel Aviv @ the Diamond borse (district) some of them wholesalers,

Ok lets try, give me a price on round cut certified.

0.71 E VS2
0.71 H VS1
1.01 E SI1
1.04 F VS1

or the closest you have in size, do any have laser inscription?